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What a bunch of crap!!!!! How many muzzle loader hunters are here? how many of you are making the majority of your shots over 200 yards without a scope?
I'll bet that out of every successful m.loader hunter this year that over 90% or more were shot within 100 yards. I only no of two zones open for a muzzle loader hunt, 4 and 7, short range restrictions in these two areas are not a safety based rule!!!! How many mule deer were shot with muzzle loader this year? how many of these were shot over 150-200 yards? not many I would guess. If it is a problem then in-lines for white tailed only?? I don't use a muzzle loader only for fun and the challenge, my main reason is the fact that I don't have to run around with another ten thousand hunters especially with road restriction, you are often times pinned in really tight, unless you have horses.
I have spent over 1000.00 in the past two years, to legally get away from other hunters and now what? We get screwed again by rule changes that are made with absolutely no intelligent reason or study to back it up!! sad Brick Wall,)

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SSP,

I totally agree. What a load! I hunt with the muzzleloader for the same reasons. I can get away at a time of year when there aren't 10,000 other guys running around. I know very few people who can shoot a muzzleloader (or any other firearm) with any efficiency, with open sights over 100yds.

I would also like to see the stats on the number of deer killed with muzzleloaders over the past 5 years. Probably a very insignificant ammount.

I try to support Fish and Game as much as possible when I believe they are doing something for reasons dictated by Wildlife Biologists for the good of the species.herd. In this case, I believe there is nothing more than politics and something fishy behind the changes. Why would they approve the technology advances with archery equipment (which by the way I have no problem with) and then turn around and deny the muzzleloader hunters???

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I agree fellas. According to the Fish and Game website 848 mulies were taken with a muzzleloader statewide last year. That compares to tens of thousands with other weapons. If this is a population issue than they need to go to individual units that are in trouble and close them. What does the type of muzzleloader have to do with it. It sounds like they are going to make it very hard to hunt with a muzzleloader, but why I can't even imagine. If they make people hunt with obsolete equipment they'll just get more wounded and not recovered anmials. There will definately less hunters which is the only real goal I can see in this. Or the fish and game are just fooling wih us and tomarrow they'll say ha, gotcha; had you goin' didn't we?
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The rule change doesn't even make sense. This was abviously not thought out. This rule is already in effect actually, Units 4,7, and 38 are the only general muzzle loading seasons in Idaho. #38 notes "traditional only" duh. All other m.l. hunts are controllted hunt and only two of those that I saw did not say "traditional Weapons"only in the notes. That leaves 4,7,. Instead of wasting time and money trying to explain a new rule why not just add the note of "traditional weopons only" next to these units?? And hey, they call them controlled hunts for a reason, if you cannot control them then you shoul change the name of them. The bottom line is that too many people are being succeful and they need to limit the amount of hunters without affecting there pocket books. I would assume that alot less people will be putting in for these controlled hunts now.
A hunting buddy of mine called F&G and spoke with a guy out of Twin Falls, who openly admitted that the biggest concern is down south, and yet they make the change to affect the whole state. Shame on You!

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Regarding the new bait restrictions - I read the rules to mean beaver can no longer be used to start a bait site? Does this also mean no meat scrapes of any type?

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Idaho Fish and Game Clarifies Muzzleloader Rules

Guys you're preaching to the choir here.

Could you please e-mail the people who count? IDF&G really needs to know they've made a very bad decision. In years past the state had regulated every aspect of a muzzleloader, sights, caps, ignition, bullets and powder. The field was completely level between inline rifles and the sidelocks. The department just fell for a bunch of propaganda that a small vocal group of hardcore buckskinners fed them. This group repeatedly misrepresented the truth, and not knowing better the department believed them. The traditional guys just don’t want to share their hunts with any hunters who don’t look and act just like them.
Here are some contacts who need to hear from you today. Thanks.

IDFG Director - Cal Groen at cgroen@idfg.idaho.gov

IDFG Big Game Manager - Brad Compton at bcompton@idfg.idaho.gov

Kelton Hatch - at khatch@idfg.idaho.gov

Randy Smith - at rsmith@idfg.idaho.gov

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I've emailed to a few of those addresses on multipal occosions and all attempts I have recieved notice that my emails were blocked and undeliverable. They don't really want to hear from us. I've also sent letters the old fasioned way and by phone.
One other idea I was thinking about that would at least affect the Panhandle, Starting I believe in 05 a few panhandle units (unit 2for sure) were opened for nearly a full two months for any white tail deer for modern firearms/any weapon. What the h#l*, why would anyone need that much time to kill any white tail deer???? I have a feeling that there won't be a whole lot of deer in these areas in a couple more years. Why not let the inliners have those units in November????

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Ssp,
Please try them again, I have e-mailed all of them with in the last week and the address worked for me. Thanks.

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fairchase wrote:
Ssp,
Please try them again, I have e-mailed all of them with in the last week and the address worked for me. Thanks.

I spoke with Brad Compton on the phone last night about this. He highly reccomends that we all call our regional commissioners to voice our opinions as well. The information to contact them is available on the F&G web site

Here's the link:

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/about/commission/members.cfm

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Thanks Yoter,

Here is an IDF&G survey where you can voice your opinion on deer and also what weapon you like to hunt with.

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/news/misc/mule_deer_survey.cfm

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