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idaho elk?

i have been living in idaho for 4 years and would consider myself an above average big game hunter, however, i have not killed an elk yet.. ive chased the dang things all over the mountains with my bow but never have got to put one through yet.. i finally drew a tag this year in the same unit that i bow hunt, and i am so excited to shoot one of these big ba&tards!! i want to make sure that i fill this tag, so i was wondering if yall had any good pointers, or some things that work really well for you..

as far as calls i have a hootchie momma and a hyper-hot call.. i don't have a tube to bugle and was wondering if this is a must or not..

also, i have seen how they act during bow season and am wondering if i need to take up a different strategy because of the shooting and number of people that could potentially play a big part in the hunt..

i will do my scouting before hand a be very prepared, just looking for some pointers-- thanks guys......chad

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idaho elk?

Welcome aboard Cryan.

Although I dont see any Elk here in Florida I have read several dozen post on this Forum which, I believe, pretty much qualifies me as an expert Elk Slayer.

From what I have read all you need to assure a kill is a .270 calibre rifle.
One of 2 senerios will develop assuring you of a kill.
I shoot a 30.06 and .308 which is probably why I have yet to actually slay one.

All you have to do is get within...say..700 yards of the intended target and then raise the rifle over your head with one hand and the .270 cartridge in the other and shout loudly so as to get the Elks attention. After you get his/her attention, chamber the round moving slowly with purpose so the Elk can see that you have a .270 with a round chambered.
Now 1 of 2 things will happen....1st would have the Elk see the 270 and instantly die from fright, knowing that even at that range he is a dead duck..errr...Elk. Then all you have to do is hump him outta the brush.
2nd senerio would have the Elk go into a hysterical laughing fit upon seein you with such a puny round at such a great distance. Once the Elk is lying on the ground laffing hysterically all you have to do is walk on up to him/her, poke em in the eyes causing temporary blindness and then tie a rope around their neck and walk em on out to the truck. Embarrased that they fell for this trick, they will follow you right out with no problem.

Under no circumstances should you ever shoot an Elk with a .270 as you'll either blow him to smitherens, even out to 800 yards, or really irritate him alot.

Hope I have been of some help Wink

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idaho elk?

Are you seeing elk? In other words, when you say "chasing" does that mean you never see them? If your never seeing elk, then perhaps your in the wrong area.

However if your seeing elk, then perhaps it just a matter of getting your stalking game down better or working on calling. If your seeing elk, then your firearms tag should be a lot easier to fill than an archery tag.

While I don't know anything about the area you hunt, a general suggestion would be to:

- Start the hunt before daylight.

- Go off the beaten trail. The farther you pack in, the less pressure from others.

I don't use calls, never had, but the general opinion seems to be that they only work well (in particular the bugle) during the rut. Will the elk be rutting during your season? Check out this thread for some call/not-to-call info.

Good luck to you. BTW: JTapia is alluding to a regular rant around here about 270 WIN and its effectiveness on elk.

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I would get a bugle. Use the bugle once in a while as a locator call. Once you have some bulls responding move in closer and start using the cow calls to close the deal. However elk are really picky creatures. One day the bugle could get them riled up and running at you and the next it could send them running to the next county. Try different things with the calls to see what the elk are responding to but basically bugle to locate, cow call to draw em in.

You said you chased them around the mountain but you didn't say whether or not you were really getting into elk or just chasing sign. If you're already getting into the elk then you should be pretty much set as the rifle will greatly extend your range.

If not then you're obviously not in the right area. Remember its said that 80% of the elk live in 20% of the country out there, or something along those lines. So you have to find where they've gone. Its very possible to find sign all over an area and not see hair for a week. Elk move a lot and sometimes very far. It may take 2 or 3 days just to figure out where they're at. Somedays you may have to put 5 or more miles on your boots so get in excellent shape and take the most comfortable pair of boots you can afford. Once you find them then start trying to figure what bull you want.

Good luck to you.

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idaho elk?

i should have been more clear as to saying that i was "chasing them up and down the mountain" we were getting into elk everyday and fairly close to them.. i have always been told that the stalking method isnt the best cause of all the eyes, ears, and noses.. however, what we were doing was trying to find where they were feeding and bedding and set up in between, and then use a cow call from there... luck just isn't on our side enough i guess...... so maybe i am gonna half to put the sneak on em to close the gap and to be able to make a good shot....

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Cryan, It all depends on the year we have if the calls will work. Or should I say if they are talking more. The cows will be talking. But if its hot and dry the rut will be later. Last year I had bulls bugling into the rifle season on a open hunt. When does the season open in your unit? What unit do you hunt? I hunt 36 on open hunts and 36-a 49 and 50 for archery.

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i will be hunting unit 50-- i know that unit very well since i have been archery hunting in it the last 4 years... in the years past they have started the rut around the end of september which has made for some great archery hunting (except not getting one)! the controlled hunt starts oct. 1-- so they should be just starting the rut or a week or two into it i would guess.... ive always said to myself while carrying my bow around there that i would love to have a chance to rifle hunt up here, now here is my chance...

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One of my friends also drew unit 50 for elk. So he has hunted it before and have had several friends that have also. I live in Jerome so most of my friends have hunted the units close to here.
Good luck and keep us posted.

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I know you said that you have been hunting for a few years now, but you also mentioned that you were looking for any pointers someone might have to help increase your success. I couldn't resist the chance to mention an instructional elk callilng cd that I think you would like - I know it helped me, BIG TIME.

The CD is called, "Calling Early Season Elk" by Jim Horn. It is very easy to follow and understand, and there was a TON of information in it that I did not know.

Just wanted to mention it to you, as it helped me out!

PS - Oh yeah, you can check the CD out at http://www.elkhornhuntgear.com

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