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Recruitment is just biologist speak for births and immigration into a population. Usually when you talk fawn or calf recruitment, you are talking about recruitment (ie survival) to a certain age at which point the survey is conducted. It's nearly impossible to determine an actual birth rate and to determine the number of calves eaten, starved or killed by doing something stupid, so we use recruitment. Meaning if they make it this point, their mortality rate changes to a better known number which varies less year to year. There are also good winter severity indices used by some agencies to guesstimate calf survival after the surveys are completed. But the point of this is essentially calf recruitment indicates the number of calves that should survive through to the next year. Recruitment is often expressed as a ratio of calves per 100 cows, with varying rates being necessary for a "maintenance" population (depends a lot on your cow harvest rates and/or predation), above the maintenance ratio you are likely to have a growing population, below the maintenance number, you have a declining population.

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... exbio, I love you.

I guess in part my comment spawns from the desire to put away all that fancy language when I enter the woods, and instead sink my teeth into concepts like birth, death, cow, bull, stalk, wind, sweat, cold, kill, blood, hunt, hike, tree, deer, elk, mountain, muscle, bone, hunter, and hunted. And from there construct sentences like: Elk hunting has been very poor in the so-and-so zone. Hunters in the so-and-so zone report few elk and report regular wolf encounters. The number of calves in so-and-so zone reaching one year of age is low and due to wolf predation (oops, big word). (Try again) Nearly all the calves being born in the ... Zone are eaten by wolves before reaching one year old.

I guess it would be too blunt to put in a report that way.

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Continuing ...

One of the things that crushes me is that the average hunter, and the average native to the west, is considered a moron by more and more people in an increasing number of government agencies. It astonishes me how many people in governmental and educational roles in the state of Idaho believe that the average Idahoan (Idaho-born person) needs serious re-education on environmental and other matters.

I am rather of the belief that anyone coming to the state, or with oversight responsibilities for the state - has a lot to learn from Idaho grown people, and people who live and work and raise families here.

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Spoken like someone capable of reason and common sense,if I had to guess I would say you have never held a goverment job Laugh I would also guess you hadn't spent so much time in school that you were educated into stupidity Yes Well done serious hunter spoken like a true Idahoan!

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Sadly I have a lot of eduction, resulting in varied degrees in various fields. I have worked for the government some, and much, much more as a private contractor. I only bring one vocabulary and language to the forums (that I am aware). But a true Idahoan - yes. I am happiest when my body and set-up are lean, and I am running the ridges. But I don't get to do this as often as I'd like. In a perfect world - either this or the next - you may get a glimpse of me, perhaps on a skyline - and don't be surprised if I am singing.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with alot of education I am a college man myself,as long as one doesn't cross the line into being an over educated idiot. The present state of our nation and some dealings with members of U.S.F.S. has left an awful taste in my mouth for goverment employees and their intelligance level,sorry for generalizing.

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Absolutely no offense taken. I am reading The Beaver Men, by Mari Sandoz, about the North American beaver trapping and trade through the centuries. The indians (native americans) were absolutely astounded by how the more educated the white man was that they met - the more absolutely stupid (and commensurately blind to their own stupidity) - such white men were. I am an educated white man - but (hopefully) with at least a little bit of native american `spirit'.

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I remeber an alaskan telling me this when i lived in alaska. the same thing could be said about idaho.

There are people who have lived here there whole life and still wouldn't be considered alaskans and than there are people who walk off of the plane alaskans. same thing in idaho.

yes the wolf has hurt the elk population, yes we still kill elk in central idaho during hunting season. Central idaho would not be my first choice for elk hunting, but it will be my second choice after i shoot my north idaho elk, and than go into unit 26 in november and whack elk number 2 for the year.

positive thinking. lol

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My great grandfather told me that same thing back when he was alive tim,as a guide and at that time third generation Idahoan he had seen many narcissistic jerkoffs around this state some native others transplants.The saying an old one rings as true today as ever and no matter how long you stay here you will never truly be an Idahoan.You see we don't need to run around telling people what great hunters we are or "think we are",or wether we are going to whack our second one of the year.We are men and don't need the feigned grandiosity of our supposed deeds to be seen in print by others to boost our self esteem and heighten our feeble sense of self worth.

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not aproblem wapiti, i was poking fun at serious hunter. I do know the wolf is his pet peeve and i was having a little fun at his expense.

I will say though that the fishing on this thread is really good right now. Big smile

tim

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