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I'll tell ya S.H. i doubt that anybody thinks more positive about the draws than i do,, every year i think there is no doubt that i will get drawn,, it's just gotta happen,, odds are in my favor.. the silly thing is this year i was so positive that
i would get drawn on both the regular draw and super tag for deer that i beat myself up for two months wondering how i would use that extra tag ..

i will take your advice and call my ol buddy tonite and see if he can give me any tips,, maybe he can help call the dogs off....i need to talk to him anyways cuz he drew an antelope tag somewhere
over by grassmere this year and i want to see how it went.

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Nomad - I'll be interested to hear what you discover in your get-together with your buddy. I don't doubt you think very positive about the draws - but see what you can discover about your buddy that is additional to, or deeper than, being positive. Something he may or may not be aware of. It's difficult to explain; it seems like magic; but it's real.

Back to draw odds - maybe they can make some of these units trophy units - in the sense that once you get drawn for that unit (and if you fill) - that's it (for your lifetime - for that unit).

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This problem continues to interest me. Nomad - the chances that you would NOT get drawn 8 years in a row in that unit is really not all that astronomical ... about 60/40. In fact, statistically, for you to put in for 11 years in a row and NOT get drawn would be about a straight 50/50 ... a coin toss. So, statistically, you have nothing to complain about. Illustrated another way: let's say there is a group of 10 of you hunters that have been putting in for the last 8 years. On the average - six of you would not have been drawn at all during those 8 years, and four would have been drawn (at least once). So, you are with the majority.

But what is interesting is your buddy. For him to get drawn 3 (or more times) in this same eight years is ... assuming he had to sit two of the years out before re-applying ... my statistics are rusty, but ... 1 / 233.

In other words - you are normal. But your buddy is unique. I think it's worth exploring to find out his `secret'. How does he attract draw success? Yes

Otherwise you are stuck with the 195 / 3261 odds each time Brick Wall,). In other words - even though you have NOT got drawn for 8 years, your odds next year are still 195 / 3261 ... and the year after that ... and the year after that. So, you could rightfully argue - `Yeah, that's what I'm talking about - the system sucks!' ...

I want the system to stay the way it is. It allows for some magic - for the opportunity to try and BEAT the odds. It's a part of what makes hunting hunting - as opposed to just shooting, or killing, or going to the grocery store to buy our venison - the whole unpredictability of it all - the departure from the deterministic (`modern') world in which we live.

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Location: idaho
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Howdy S.H.
sorry for not getting back to ya sooner,, been out in unit 55 trying to stick me a deer,, wow it was sure cold last week, at least it was there..
well i talked to my ol buddy, he said he just puts in and forgets about it,
he doesn't put in at any particular time just puts in when he thinks about it..
he puts in for the same deer hunt and elk hunt that i do,, (both deer & elk are the same unit.. the crazy thing is,, he is very critical and distrustful of i.f&g.
and i have not met many folks that cusses and knocks them more than him.
in fact he thinks that the draw process is rigged in some way, he just doesn't understand why he gets drawn so much though..
he cusses one of our old buddys that we went to school with,, the guy works for f&g and he or his wife and kids get drawn almost every year for something,,
and he went on to tell me about all the other wardens that seem to get drawn quite often..
well i have to go for now,, gotta take my sweety out,, i took aug. thru jan. off of work this year so i could hunt,, and i doubt i have been home more than three days in a row since aug. i gotta keep the peace cuz i plan on doing a bunch of chucker hunting in the next couple months Evil!
but i do have some feed back for other parts of your posts..
take care yak at ya later

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Location: Idaho
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That's funny. The Director of IFG is a good friend of mine and I sent him a link to this thread (before your last post). He'll get a good chuckle.

I will think about your observations on your buddy and his draw success - interesting. I need to process it a bit - but I think there is something there ...

Go take care of the sweetie! Mine thinks I hunt too much. I really think I hold it in moderation.

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morning S.H.
well glad to see i could help the director with a laugh...i am sure he has a very stressful job and could use a chuckle..
sure hope he reads it and thinks it over for awhile ,, although i am sure he has heard the same gripe many of times ,, it is still good to get as much exposure as possible on the subject..
since he might be reading this i will give a little more food for thought..
one of the things i have a gripe about is leftover tags,, it just don't seem right to let all the folks that DIDN'T put in for that hunt try on the second go round..
they could just draw an extra twenty tags the first time and award the next guys in line there tags,, as that was there first choice, and not the thousands of others that are trying for em second time around..
i know that f&g needs money to operate,and lots of it...
and it is a great way to make money.
but when the level playing field issue comes into play well, it just don't seem so level then..
i don't know if it is true or not,, but i heard that more money is made on the second drawing with just a few tags,, than on the first drawing,, mainly due to all the folks that did not get drawn on moose/goats& sheep,, putting in..
i understand there reasons for doing this,, and don't blame em for it,, but i don't have to like it

now i ain't one of them fellas that bashes f&g ,, like my buddy..
in fact i think over all they have done a great job,,
heck i can hunt big game from aug.15th through dec. 19th with just otc tags,
how cool is that!!!! and if a fella is willing to burn a little boot leather they will see plenty of animals..
gotta go for now but have plenty of more to discuss on your last couple post,, but i am trying to make up for three months away from work while hunting,, in just a few days so i can get out and treat my shorthair to some hunts.. yak at ya later...

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Location: Idaho
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Nomad - thanks for yakin' more.

There are issues with the second drawing and leftover tags and unlimited controlled hunts that have made me a bit uncomfortable in the past - but as I think about them, overall the system makes sense. I just hope it doesn't get any more complicated. I am pretty smart - and there is only so much brain capacity allotted for game regulations.

I lived for a while in another state – and it was awful … terrible draw odds, incredibly short seasons, rules that seemed both anti-hunter and anti-wildlife.

But back to the controlled hunts – I still like it the way it is. I don’t want controlled hunts to become like a retirement system – just keep puttin’ in until year X, and then draw. Barf. I like variety, odds to try and beat, etc. The only change I would make would be to make some hunt (units) lifetime hunts … e.g., elk in Unit 11. Maybe.

Tell me (us) more about your buddy. Does he love to hunt? … is he head-over-heels in love with hunting, or is it some necessary evil ... or somewhere in between? Is he religious, … or profane (or somewhere in between)? Does he care for the meat? Is he easy to get along with (people-to-people)? Is he smart, or simple? Energetic, or lazy? Is he someone you trust, or distrust?

There is something to learn from your buddy - and anyone who draws draw success like he does.

I think some times we try too hard to get drawn.

Sometimes, mentally (and certainly unintentionally) ... we push things away from us by `thinking so hard' to get it/them.

Maybe I have taken us off subject - but only partially so.

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Location: San Luis Obispo and Foresthill, CA
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Idaho elk hunting info

Hi, my name is Nick and I've been trying to plan an elk hunt in Idaho with my Dad but we are unfamiliar with Idaho and we are looking for some tips. As non-residents would we have good chances of seeing a lot of animals by getting a general season tag or should we just try for the controlled hunt tags? Does anyone know of some areas that we could check out for general season tags that would be decent for both mule deer and elk?

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Nick - I suggest starting a new string with your question either under the Rocky Mountain (or Elk) forum ... you might mention any preference you have regarding early season, or late, rifle, archery, muzzleloader, etc..