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Idaho Controlled hunts: apply as an individual or a group?

Hi-
does anyone know if your odds are better to apply as an individual or a group for a controlled hunt in Idaho?

My understanding is when 2-4 people put in for a controlled hunt together both of their license numbers go into the pool of hunters drawn from, however, if any of them draw they all get tags if there is enough tags remaining. Is this correct? The alternative is that only one license number gets put into the pool for the whole group.

Scenario 1: 5 tags, 2 hunters (both committed-if either gets drawn they will hunt together.) Are the odds of drawing better if they apply as a group or individually?

Scenario 2: 200 tags, 2 hunters (both committed-if either gets drawn they will hunt together.) Are the odds of drawing better if they apply as a group or individually?

statisically challenged,
WTF

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your first assumtion was correct, you have a better chance of drawing as a group if there are enough tags. Both liscence #'s are entered and if one draws so does the other
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Idaho Controlled hunts: apply as an individual or a group?

Yeah, that's my understanding as well - but I don't totally understand it. Generally I put in solo and have done well on draws - but am planning on some future hunts where we'll put in as a group.

Welcome to the forum `wtf' ...

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draw hunts

Howdy all...
great board you have hear, VERY refreshing to find a civil hunting forum without all the bickering, bragging,& holier than thou garbage...
Kind'a reminds me of a traditional bow hunting site,,,,, just good folks sharing
tips and thoughts Thumbs up
i read back through about 25pages and have a few old posts i would like to comment on,, in the next few weeks..
i will start with this one, cuz it is a simple one and i don;t have to get any thoughts together for it.. just copy and paste..
hope this helps...

Controlled Hunt Process
Here is a simplified version of how the controlled hunt drawing system works: The procedure has been computerized since 1973 and was certified random by two Boise State University professors in 1977. Every applicant has the same chance of drawing. Officials verify that applicants meet all of the eligibility requirements to draw a permit. Each application is then assigned a randomly generated number, which is then scrambled and coded before being drawn by the computer system. The computer, located in the state controller's office, selects the successful applicants from the entire application file of eligible applicants.
When a group of people enters on the same application, the group is assigned a single application number, and the system will recognize only one application number.
The controlled hunt drawing system processes all first choice hunts in the first round. The system then does a second drawing to fill any open hunts with second choice hunts. No person can draw a second choice before that hunt has been filled by first choice people.
When residents and nonresidents enter on the same application, the chances of drawing are limited to the nonresident chances. Nonresidents are limited to up to 10 percent of the permits available in any individual controlled hunt. In a controlled hunt with 100 permits, for example, nonresidents can draw up to 10 permits. If, after drawing 90 applications, the computer draws an application and finds it includes a nonresident, it checks to see whether a permit is available for a nonresident. If 10 nonresidents already have drawn permits for that hunt, the computer simply goes to the next application.
Hunters can improve their odds by doing a little homework. Using the odds and results from the previous year, both found on the Idaho Fish and Game hunt planner at http://fishandgame.idaho.gov, hunters can find hunts with fewer applicants and better odds of drawing.

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Idaho Controlled hunts: apply as an individual or a group?

Nomad, Great informative post. Good to have you on BGH! Welcome... Thumbs up

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Thanks Hiker i think im gonna like it here..

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Idaho Controlled hunts: apply as an individual or a group?

Your post of group drawing is correct but ive put in for3 years and drawn every year by my self so i guess y just have to be lucky

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i got that info. from f&g,, it was a reply from one of my yearly emails i send right after the draw results come out...
angry :: angry
it just chaps my hide that i have not been drawn for ANYTHING since the mid eighties..(23years) and i have put in every year faithfully.
man we need a point system in the worst way...

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Nomad - what hunts are you applying for (and not getting drawn)?

I kinda like the way the system is - everyone starts anew every year ... but I generally put in for hunts with at least tolerable odds of drawing.

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the deer hunt i put in for has,, 195 permits with 3261 apps.
elk 5 permits 714 apps..
antelope20 permits 388 apps..
i haven't done the math, for the odds, but its not a matter of just getting drawn somewhere, its a matter of where i want to hunt..
for instance the deer hunt,, i grew up hunting that unit, and there was alot of
huge bucks there,, if you were after big racks there, you screwed up if you took one that was less than 180 inches cuz if you put your time in and hunted hard
you would have a legitimate chance at 200 class bucks..
and it is not just a matter of big bucks,, it's the fact that i grew up hunting there
and i would love to get back in there to relive all the great memories of hunting with my dad,, and all the exciting times and dreams i had in my youth..
the elk well no excuse thems poor odds at best,, but if a fella has a goal of getting a bull that is pushing the 350/400 mark well, this unit is the only one i know of in Idaho that holds that size of bulls..
antelope well i live in this unit and scout it all spring and summer ,, while out banging away at rockchucks,,
this unit holds some of the most perfect heart shaped lopes i have seen anywhere,,, and BIG UNS TOBOOT...

quote}[I kinda like the way the system is - everyone starts anew every year ... ]
yea that's the problem,, its a great system if you get drawn once in a while,,
but what about the fellas that never get drawn???? it don't seem so fair to them. the person that gets drawn for a hunt ,, only has to wait one year and he has the same chance as a person that has been waiting over 20 years..
PLUS!!! on his off year he can put in for moose/ goats/bighorn..
for instance,, one of my old highschool buddys has drawn the deer hunt i want
3 times in the last 8 years..THEN..on one of his off years drew a bull moose tag..
i know another fella that him his dad and sister has drawn the antelope hunt i want 3 out'a 6 years ,, or the person that just moved to Idaho and puts in and draws first time,,, and some of us born and raised here haven't been drawn in over 20 years...
at least with a draw system them fellers that always seem to be at the bottom of the hat ,, start working there way to the top,, and at least know that someday they will get there chance..

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Nomad wrote:
... the deer hunt i put in for has,, 195 permits with 3261 apps ... one of my old high school buddys has drawn the deer hunt i want
3 times in the last 8 years..THEN..on one of his off years drew a bull moose tag...

Nomad - seriously - find out your buddy's `secret'. It's no accident that he is getting drawn and you are not. Find out how he thinks , ... discover his approach. It sounds like you are in an endless loop of not getting drawn. It is kind of like our current mail carrier. All previous mail carriers, and substitutes, love our dogs. This guy comes along and says he won't deliver mail because he doesn't want to get bit. Turns out this guy gets bit a lot. I personally think he would get bit sorting mail in the upstairs of the main post office. It's not the dogs, it's him - it's how he thinks - he attracts dog bites.

Find out how your buddy thinks - I suspect that, consciously or unconciously - he puts in thinking he will get drawn, and lovin' it - and he gets drawn!!! You are probably in a rut thinking you will never get drawn - and, guess what? - you don't get drawn. There is something in your buddy that is pulling draw success to him.

Or change the system.