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We keep having to point out Nazi's are lefties, not righties. Socialists remember?

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Expatriate you don't have one of those uniforms in the closet do you, fake mustache and all? I know a lot of gun collectors are into "memorabilia".

How do you know when you're winning an intellectual discussion with a liberal? When they start acting like third graders.

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You do don't you!!!

I knew it. Every discussion always evolves into a "this is going to turn into a Germany under Hitler" arguement. I figured you had something kind of over the line of normal behaviour going on with that hitler stuff. I remember some English politician recently had a similar persuasion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/world/europe/07formula.html

You righties really know how to have fun.

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It's OK -- I get where you're coming from. You're OK with him using the tyrant's toolbox as long as he doesn't kill six million people or annex Austria. After giving away Czecheslovakia in 1938 another English politician, Neville Chamberlain, stood on the doorstep of #10 Downing Street and said:

"My good friends, this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. And now I recommend you to go home and sleep quietly in your beds."

Responsibility for the worst human rights abuses in the world doesn't reside in dictators like Hitler or Pol Pot. Those responsible were people like you who wrapped themselves in denial and stood idly by and let it happen because it didn't affect them personally. The tyrants of the ages have just been egomaniacs who have been willing to collect the sacrifices of weak-willed people willing to offer their souls to feel they're a part of something great.

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I knew something was up when I started to feel sorry for Rush. I have to admit listening to him daily of late I could tell the strain was getting to him. A moving impasioned plea to just leave Rush alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUFNgheTMZ0

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civetcat wrote:
ISoCo, some good reading here.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/white-house-v-limbaugh-grand-thea...

It's that Nate Silver the numbers guy, I'd already thought of Specter but he kind of wraps it all together.

Thanks Civetcat, a good read indeed!

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I knew something was up when I started to feel sorry for Rush. I have to admit listening to him daily of late I could tell the strain was getting to him. A moving impasioned plea to just leave Rush alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUFNgheTMZ0

Sadly for real it seems that's all they've got. sad

Just for my bud expat I'll throw in some rah, rah, rah, obama, hitler, rah, polpot, rah, rah, nazi's, Austria, rah, rah, rah, tyrant, end of the world, rah, rah!!!!! Evil! Evil!

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But the issue here is the way the Democrats have embraced political tools employed by some nasty people in history to secure power and squash dissent. But you're apparently OK with that, because you're one of those people that would've thrown every switch he could find in the Milgram study because the guy in the white lab coat told you to.

This is precisely the point. When Hitler first came to power his first order of business wasn't to ban, control and confiscate guns it was to ban, control and and confiscate printing presses and typewriters. Add to that list shortwave and ham radios. First silence dissent, then disarm the dissenters. This is a dangerous philosophy no matter who is at the controls. If the right wing attempted things like the "fairness doctrine" there would be a hue and cry unmatched in history but because it's the popular new "messiah" doing it everyone from the ACLU to the NAACP shuts up and let's it happen.

Buns, you're my bud you really are, but c'mon now..................... are you really saying we're on the verge of something akin to the nazi rise to power in Germany in the thirties and forties??????

Please, please, please, tell my you're being a tad dramatic for effect, okay. Please comfort my furrowed brow and tell me you really aren't making that comparison. Because if you really believe what you wrote above in your heart, it's time for you to take up arms and defend what you believe is under attack!

I'd do it, if I believed as you do.

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As I said before...don't go over the top and get hysterical trying to say there's a new Holocaust coming.

Just answer the point raised: are you OK with the ruling party trying to silence dissenters -- especially when those dissenters are private citizens? The comparison to history's despots in this thread is limited to use of that particular tool as a means to secure and maintain power.

My contention is that in this country, the cost of political power is to endure the expressed opinions of those who differ with you. Are you OK with government shutting down dissenters so they won't be heard?

Give me an example of where Republicans were faced with an individual expressing an opposing view, and made it their mission to destroy that person to cut off their access to an audience and keep their message from getting out. And in return I'll talk about those who opposed Democrats and in return were attacked, vilified, and destroyed on a national stage rather than engaged in debate.

Republicans endure or answer criticism; Democrats are all about silencing it. And by the way, whatever happened to all that Democrat rhetoric we heard for all those years about dissent being patriotic? Now all of a sudden they're singing a different tune, and even questioning their policies is considered un-American.

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Just answer the point raised: are you OK with the ruling party trying to silence dissenters

I already answered but you didn't listen. No one is trying to silence Rush except Republicans. Democrats are overjoyed to give him a larger exposure. This past week his ratings doubled.

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Give me an example of where Republicans were faced with an individual expressing an opposing view

Michael Moore. They did the same thing. Give the fat guy a bigger microphone by talking about him all the time and link him in peoples minds to the Demorcratic Party.

Expatriate. We don't mind people speaking thier minds even in opposition to our policies, but we do want you all to be a tiny fringe minority maybe ten ot twelve seats in the Congress and a couple of senators, maybe we'll get a Green Party to be the other one.

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