Thanks for the very informative comment. As of yet I don't handload, but have always been interested in the improvements to performance that can be achieved. Now it seems that some of this specialty ammo gives custom handload performance off the shelf. As you saw in my later post I purchased a 300 win mag. and am trying it out with different factory loads to see which works best for me here in South Carolina and Georgia. But that is not to say I won't get "new gun fever" and give the Whelen another look. Thanks again for the reply.