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I am an American citizen living in the land of the free?

But I can't  hunt where or what I want? Without overpaying someone to help me.Yea I've heard all the Lame excuses that I am inexperienced, I don't know the Mountain. I'll freeze. The bears will eat me.PLEASE. I can drive a car. Carry a loaded gun. Drive a bus load of children.But I can't do what I have been doing for 48 years without paying someone $20,000 dollars to hold my hand. Let that soak in for a minute $20,000 DOLLARS.If the outfitters and guides had it there way we would have to pay a guide to hunt Rabbits. Look at Prince of whales after next year non- residence will have to draw a black bear tag. Guess why? Because we are hunting a animal rich area on public land and they are not getting their$$$.I bet the outfitters will get plenty tags for the island. when will it end? And by the way how many hunters die each year even with a guide? Sorry my intentions is not to make everyone mad I just think we all should have the same opportunities in this country. We have brave people die for that belief and right everyday.

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Amen!! I feel your pain, the

Amen!! I feel your pain, the fact that in some states you cant hunt in a wilderness area without a guide if your a non res is absolutly rediculious. How is there widerness any different than the widerness areas i have already been in. heres the answer its NOT. As far as paying a half a years wage to hunt some animals is just plain dumb. I wish the days of just walking out your front door with your weapon of choice and hunt were still around. Hunting is becoming a rich man sport and thats just wrong.

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Charlie sorry for your

Charlie sorry for your frustration ,I think the guide deal sucks but until everyone boycotts the state I don't see any changes happening. By the way even the residents take a beating when it come to the guide thing, I'm never sure how it works but their clients never lack for tags, even in areas I'll never draw.We have areas that have increased the bag limit on grizz to two a year, and still can't take the number desired, but lifting the guide requirement in those areas would really rase he!! in this state, even though that probably would give them the harvest they want.

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Can you say greed, main

Can you say greed, main stream media, politics, anti hunting, and animal rights groups? All these add to the crap and laws that states mandate for hunting. Not sure where you are hunting or what for but it does depend on where and what you hunt. Wife and I are going to Idaho spring bear hunting 2012 and for both of us including tags, gas, money, food, etc it will be about $5000. Not cheap but not outrageous either. I know in Wyoming I can hunt by myself anyplace I want unless it is in a wilderness area. Then I need a resident or a guide to hunt with. Makes little sense to me but have a feeling it is based on lost hunters from out of state that costs the state big money to find. Again politics as big brother needs to watch out for you rather than you being responsible for your own action. Colorado might be crowded in places but at least we do not have crazy laws and hope we never do.   

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Thanks

Thanks everyone for your feedback. Alex you made a good point about the residents. I think you all pay taxes and a portion of that goes to protection,habitat,game wardens and so on to help the animals which Is great but the outfitters and guides are the ones benefiting the most from the animals.I think the citizens should get a portion of their profits because the animals belong to them also? Also SGM I like what you had to say. I live in v.a and me and my 17 year old daughter love to hunt bear and everything else we can afford. I would like to do a grizzly hunt with her while I am still able but I only make $45,000 a year so you do the math. As for hunters from out of state getting lost they should have to pay for that. Now it can happen to anyone but if you cost that state and its citizens money then I can see them wanting to make you pay thats only fair.

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Paid hunting , so called pros

I like to watch the hunting shows, But some get me sick, Mostly every thing is a guided hunt for some so called pro. Every thing is mostly out west. Every thing is focused on the size of the rack.I wonder if the pros pay to hunt this private land over feeders . I do not have $thousands to pay for a hunt, I'll have to stick hunting state forrest land or farmland in the east. I get with the help of GOD, 1 to 2 deer a year. Buck or doe they are all trophys to me. I beleave most hunters hunt like I do, No giudes to scout it out for you. I also hate when they make jokes about the way the deer goe's down, takes the solom or spiritual thing of the hunt away, wHY: Because the paid hunt makes it easy for them.

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Charlie, I cannot argue with

Charlie, I cannot argue with you at all about folks paying their own way. Yep getting lost happens and yes we need to help find them but figure they should suck up the cost. Not sure about all states but in Colorado they add a 25 cent fee to each license for search and rescue. Not a huge fee but it helps offset the cost for sure. Also glad you have your daughter out hunting, we need all the youth hunters we can get to keep our heritage alive. Time in the woods with your kids is very special. I looked into a grizzly hunt too and that was way out of the question for me. I will just have to be happy with black bears, elk, deer and antelope. If I ever draw a moose, mountain goat or big horn tag that will be sweet too. You can do all those in Colorado as DIY hunts with fairly good success rates. Took me two years to save up for the bear hunt counting in taxidermy fees.

Hunter12, I agree any critter my family gets is a trophy and we are grateful for everyone we get. We always take a moment after the kill and give thanks. We hunt for the meat, time with family and the experience of the hunt. Not big on most of those so called pro hunting shows and have never been a fan of the point system as a judge to what the worth of an animal is. We hunt all public land and only used a guide on my lion hunt as it is almost impossible to get one without dogs and will for spring bear but again these are all public land hunts.  

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It sucks, but it all comes

It sucks, but it all comes down to aaalaska's comment.  Unless everyone boycotts the state, nothing will change.  And, unfortunately, there will always be someone willing to drop $20,000 on a hunt, so it isn't going to change any time soon.

I and others have said that hunting is going the way of the rich.  I can't necessarily blame landowners for being capitalistic and wanting to earn a few dollars, but in general, all the guides, outfitters, and ranches out there, do nothing but hurt the sport.  All we see nowadays is food plot material, mineral licks, antler restrictions, and "quality deer management".  Well, I for one thought the "quality" of deer hunting was better 20 years ago prior to all these restrictions.  I think most hunters are happy to get a deer, any deer, without having to worry if it's got 2 or 3 points a side.

But, I digress fromt he original point.  I fully agree that if the common man wants to go for a bear hunt, he should be able to without spending his kid's college fund.  I believe in our fish and game departments for the most part, that they know how to properly control a herd.  However, I feel that the "business" of hunting has way too much control.

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paid hunt

I agree with every one, The exeption , hunts in Africa, Bear hunting. I beleave you do need a giude to hunt any thing that can hunt you. The hunting lobby is big, thats good, But other than forien hunts, instate hunting is going to get more expencive.Hate to see what my Grn kids will pay for a basic hunting lic. 

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I totally agree. America is

I totally agree. America is supposed to be the land of the free and home of the BRAVE! why won't we let our young men out into the world to experience it as our ancestors had. whether they live or die will depend on their strength and knowledge, not whether they "drew" the right tag this year or not.

it's not hard to kill an animal for food, it's way more challenging to kill an animal under the restraints of the law though. i know there's too many people to allow unmanaged hunting,  but i don't agree how some states don't allow you to hunt wilderness, or certain species because you're a non resident. i've actually live in the wilderness for long periods of time. alone with my horses, and i haven't met another person who has done that, not any of the guides i've met for sure.

why should some panel ful of guys in suits decide whether i am able to hunt somewhere or not?

there's probably nothing we can do to change this though.

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I am afraid the old deer camp

I am afraid the old deer camp days are gone forever. What can we do about the way things are? It starts with the kids if we are to ever bring back the old style of freinds and family deer camp. There is probably nothing we can see happen in our life time to change this attitude of you cant hunt here or you have to pay me this much to hunt there. But if we teach the young generation the right way and attitude then maybe they will see it come back in their life time to a certain point but the old way is gone forever.The problem today is that most people that hunt do it to stroke their ego.When I was young the biggest day of the year was opening day of squrriel season most hunters today dont even know there is a squrriel season. O.K as for needing a guide to hunt something that can hunt you I totally disagree.All you need is respect that's what makes the grizzly so great it damands respect because if you plan on taking it's life you better show respect or it will take your's. Besides if you dont think you have what it takes to hunt grizzly then you probably DONT. Thats part of the problem today the animals are just items in a book if you have the money you can buy one. And someone will help you kill it. To put on your wall of ego.

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