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hunting vs. tactical?

I think you guys are getting confused between a military speced firearm, a civilian hunting rifle", and a sniper rifle. It goes way more technical then this, but to sum it up..A military speced firearm has less tight tolerances then a civilian counter part. Eg a military speced browning hi-power will have more slop in the rail then a civilian hi-power. The reason for this is dirt. If the rails were a tighter tolerance, jamming would be more fequent. The ross rifle suffered from that. I believe the tolerances were too tight and the bolts jammed in really dirt conditions. In a military firearm it's a trade off..Accuracy vs reliability in dirty conditions. (a tight crisp action or a sloppy one). You wouldn't want to take a "race gun" into theater. It would jam up pretty quick.

All a sniper rifle is is a semi-accurized civilian rifle with a stock that is less susceptible to warping and swelling then a wood stock or a cheap synthetic stock. i say semi because most high end custom made hunting rifles, would kick the "accuracy A$$ of any military sniper rifle. Usually all that gets done to a mil spec sniper rifle, is a refined trigger. Unless you're able to catch a weapons tech blowing a goat, then you can get more done.

When i was in the CF i didn't see much difference between the C3 sniper rifle and my stock parker hale. Except the C3 had a better stock.

LOL..You guys want to hear about a "Tactical Sniper Rifle"..The Canadain military is thinking or they may have now..taken a bunch of lee enfields and rebarreled them to 7.62 and installed a fiber stock. They will give these to the canadian rangers. A lee enfield sniper rifle in 2005..WOW...(LOL) It would be more cost effective and a smarter move just to give them remington custom shop 700 BDL's in 308. Probably shoot better too...

I think tactical is over used now..People love the word and it sells product..I have trouble justifing the extra cost of a "tactical" rifle vs a decent quality hunting rifle with a good quality synthetic stock. I'm waiting for a tactical muzzle loader to come out..Perhaps a savage 10ML -II with a Mcmillan "tactical" stock, harris bi pod and a leupold tac-vx III with illum mil dot rect. Convince some 3rd world police or military to buy it and i'm sure you will have good sales in north america.. I can see the ad now.."Used by ivory coast special forces snipers..The new Savage tactical 10ML-II muzzel loader..."

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30-338 your wrong about military snipers. U.S. Marine Sniper rifles (M-40 A1-A3) are made in Quantico VA by Marine Corps Rifle bulders for Marine Snipers. The only thing that is remotley "factory" is the Rem 700 action which is highly worked over. The entire weapon is custom built from barrel to trigger. The Armys M-24 sniper rifle is also custom built. Both rifles must be capable to CONSISTANTLY shoot 1/2 MOA before it leaves. Tolerances are tighter in sniper rifles do to the fact that they are designed around a particular bullet normally the 175 gr. Serria Match.

Back to the original question a tactical rifle will do just fine for hunting.

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No, my reference was to the canadian Forces (CF). The C3 was supplied by parker hale. And yes i agree too, a tactical rifle will do fine for hunting..If you want to spend the extra $$ for the name "tactical" or "police".

Here is how my Parker hale shoots,

http://www.biggamehunt.net/node/14873

I posted some pictures when i was explaining to another forum member how with handloading you can tune your round to your rifle. The coin in the pictures is a canadian dime, same size as an american one. The rifle info is in the post.. Parker hale midland 270, tasco cheapie striaght 4x scope. 100 yards 5 rounds. The rifle is stock nothing done to it. The firearm hardly, if at all, qualifies as a tactical sniper rifle, in the typical sense. But the rifle shoots straight.

I also want to note..I am not knocking Snipers, Sniper rifles, military rifles or the like. I am just mentioning that that word sniper rifle, tactical, police, law enforcement only, have been used way too much. It's a marketing plan. Let's face it...A manufacturer can make a firearm, label it tactical make everything black or olive drab and it will sell..The civilian will never, except in a vary rare case, use that rifle to it's full potential or even notice. This gives manufactures lots of leeway when making and marketing a tactical firearm. Having said that..I'm sure the ones that do go to law enforcement agencies and the military are to spec. The ones sold in a wal-mart type store or you're local gun store..well....

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I was the original poster of this thread, and what I was curious about was what the intended differences were between "hunting" and "tactical" rifles. What attracted me to the tactical rifles I saw were the synthetic stock and the absence of sights on most models.

I imagine that either weapon is probably more accurate than I will ever be in my life, and since I don't intend to blow off ammo like firecrackers, sustained firing capability isn't an issue for me, either. I'm just considering all the alternatives for a pig rifle that has a minimum of "bling" on it (where bling is defined as fancy woodwork and ornate metal trim), and some of the tacticals seemed to fill the bill.

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Open sights can be removed usually with a screwdriver . Holes can be pluged quite easily.
Glassbedding is a simple process where rifle is disassembles and a coating of fibreglass/liquid steel is added to the wooden stock to provide a perfect,smooth wood to metal fit. This will increase accuracy potential.
I'm not sure if this is necessarywith synthetic stocks but a very simple quesion for a gunsmith.
Hope this is of some assistance to you.

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Hey like they say "If the shoe fits and you got the money, wear it!"

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mzimmers wrote:
I was the original poster of this thread, and what I was curious about was what the intended differences were between "hunting" and "tactical" rifles.

The difference between a lightweight high quality "hunting" bolt action rifle and a lightweight "tactical" bolt action rifle is usually nill. For example the 700 tactical by remington is not much different than the light varmit rifles offered by the same company. The difference between a basic 10FP (law enforcement) by savage is very little compared to their basic 110 rifle.

Now you can get into bolt action sniper/tactical rifles that are more offshoots of the benchrest/varmint shooting crowd. They feature heavy barrels, heavy (sometimes choate style) stocks, and are even sometimes threaded on the end for a silencer.

Beyond the bolt actions you get into assault rifles or close-quarters-combat guns. AR-15 (of which there are some exceptions), ak-47's, FAL's, AR-10, M1A.... Although some people do outfit these with longer barrels and go varminting or hunting with them... So the distinction isn't so clear.

If you are just getting started, I suggest picking up a basic savage or weatherby vanguard package. They come in synthetic and blued or stainless and generally include: rings, bases, scope, scope cover, and a case. They are a good basic way to get started and don't break the bank. A good local gun store can also set you up with your choice of scope with one of these guns in an "unpackaged" form.

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bitmasher wrote:

The difference between a lightweight high quality "hunting" bolt action rifle and a lightweight "tactical" bolt action rifle is usually nill. For example the 700 tactical by remington is not much different than the light varmit rifles offered by the same company. The difference between a basic 10FP (law enforcement) by savage is very little compared to their basic 110 rifle.

Now you can get into bolt action sniper/tactical rifles that are more offshoots of the benchrest/varmint shooting crowd. They feature heavy barrels, heavy (sometimes choate style) stocks, and are even sometimes threaded on the end for a silencer.

Good simple explanation! That is what i was tring to say..You did a better job.

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