Kevin, what you said rings true, and makes a lot of sense. My comment comes from people that said that because of this, they won't go again. I must admit there was some bad stories about the hunt as well, and not all was about the distances. There are great outfiiters in Namibia, and their prices are prob. the best in Africa. You just will not hear a SA PH say go to Namibia rather than RSA, for various reasons, the above mentioned being one of them.
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Mon, 2006-08-28 00:58#11
Hunting in Southern Africa
Mon, 2006-08-28 01:01#12
Hunting in Southern Africa
Ex S.african wrote:
Sound like a plan, but you have to be involved with the industry to get in. I'm just someone who likes the african experience.
Like Steve Hoff sings: "maak die bulle almal bokke"
I might be able to organise you a pass......
Thu, 2006-08-31 16:23#13
Re: Hunting in Southern Africa
I just joined the forum, and as a South African PH, I find a lot of the comments very interesting and, of course, usefull(learning).
Why is it that most of the internet forums complain about the cost of plainsgame hunting? We are booked to the brim each year with American clients, and trust me, not all of them are rich men.
I still think it is very affordable to hunt in South Africa, and we have been trying to fascilitate our clients with very good prices. Yes, Namibia is cheaper in many aspects, but I compared some of their prices with our own, and there is virtually no difference when it comes to trophy fees.
Charl, welcome here! We're always glad to see things from the other side of an issue. I think you are right where trophy fees are concerened, with the average being about the same with RSA, and Namibia, and I know there are those who want to get off the plane shooting their rifles at something. I don't see much difference between the two places as far as travel time to the hunting from the airport pick-up. IMO, the difference is in RSA the roads are generally paved, and look almost like the USA in many ways, traveling through towns, and villages, with folks walking along all the roads. To many Amreican hunters, especially for a first time to Africa, this doesn't look like Africa to them. The hunter who goes to Namibia, find the dirt rouds, and the distance to be a plus, especially if they see more animals along the way than other cars, towns, and people walking along the roads.
In Both places the lodgeing, on these Game farms, looks more like an Alabama motel , or a Texas hunting lodge, than Safari in Africa. I think the outfitters in RSA, and Namibia, both, have the mistaken idea that is what American hunters want, and they couldn't be more wrong. I'd say a full 90% of American safari hunters would far rather hunt from a Grass hut, or tent than from a lodge, or farm house!
If one wants to include any dangerous game, then both places are very high in trophy fee costs. I know this is about plains game hunting, but many times a plains game hunt will turn into something else, if the guy gets a good look at an old Duggaboy, close up, and may be willing to pay the difference in daily fees, if the tophy fee is reasonable, this isn't possible in RSA, because these animals have to be bought at very high prices at auction, for desease free animals, I understand that.
I've hunted Africa several times, and I have not hunted RSA, simply because I hunt dangerous game, Buffalo, mostly, with plains game as targets of oppertunity, and are secondary, for me personally. So my outlook might not be average, among the hunters who book RSA, and Namibia
Anyway good hunting
Thu, 2006-08-31 21:36#14
Hunting in Southern Africa
I thought , after arriving in Namibia, that I had woken up in south texas. Same red dirt, same trees(acacia look a lot like mesquite), everything has thorns, but there were a whole lot more exotics roaming around than most of texas. I agree that the tent type camp would interest me more. We slept in the bush twice in Tanzania to save the hour or more drives from the area to the lodge, and I slept just as well (0r poorly, since I never sleep well anyway--too many years of delivering babies all thru the night) out in the bush. Too bad the PH snored so loud. So I did not get a shower that day--big deal. More time for hunting is better. My idea of being treated like a king on safari is to see lots of animals, not sleep in a king sized bed.
Fri, 2006-09-01 04:47#15
Hunting in Southern Africa
Thanks for the input guys.
I would like to respond as follow:
Accommodation in South Africa on Game ranches/farms:
It is because of pressure and request from the international hunting community (Especially American hunters) that a minimum requirement was set for outfitters to register, by our government. ONE of the many things that get inspected by Nature Conservation before they register you as an outfitter is the quality of your facilities/lodge. This prompted a spur in Southern Africa to bring "lodges" up to a very high standard. I really do think you are topping it a bit to speak for 90% of Americans.
We offer camped Safaris, and two of the areas we hunt, have "bush" camps. About 2 hunters a season request a tented/camped safari. It is stated on our web-site that we facilitate this type of hunt, but we do not get a lot of interest.
The roads.......We'll, it can be said of a lot of people that they want to travel on dirt roads, and be uncomfortable. Again, these people are in the vast minority, I think. We are based two hours drive from Jo-burg Int. You start driving through city and build up environment. Yes you see people walking along the roads. This gradually gets less and less, until you see one person every 4/5 kilo's., and you drive in the bush. True, the lions and elephants have all gone, but this is still wild Africa. Then you turn of the main, tarred road, and you drive 14 kilo's on a dirt track into the bush. Arrive hunting camp/lodge.
You can travel great distances in SA as well, make no mistake. I have just heard a lot of hunters say that they did not like the travelling conditions in Namibia.
Big Five.... hmmm......., can you shoot Buff for less that $14500.00, all incl, exl airfare from the States and taxidermist fees, in one of the other countries mentioned, two hours from the airport? And they ARE not "canned" my friend, it is walk and stalk hunting that will keep you in the bush from dawn till dusk.
Most of our areas that we hunt in is 3000acres or bigger, the avg. being 6000acres. I KNOW it is not Tanzania, BUT there is now so much Buff available in SA, that we do not have to struggle with all the things that make Tan. A problem for outfitters from SA. We don't have to pay the license fees, concession fees, fire arm tax, local community tax, and struggle to get a concession, and then the infrastructure nightmare....We do not have to fly charter from Arusha or Dar, and we do not have to travel hours from camp to hunt and back. No, we simply quote trophy price for the animal to be hunted, and we have our day fees. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know a lot of outfits in Tanz. charge approx. $800-$1000 PER DAY for a Buff safari, min 10 days. Compared to SA dangerous game day fees of $300-$500 for Buff, min 7 day Safari. As a company, we recon we will have approx. 35 Buff available for 2007. That is NOT a reflection of something that is very rare, and expensive.
True, our cats have gone, and Rhino and Elephant in SA are VERY expensive. (Hippo not so), but when it comes to Buff, we are right up with the other guys at the moment.
I look forward to you input.
Wed, 2007-05-02 02:45#16
hunting in Southern Africa
I met a fellow hunter on the plane to Namibia who said he was from Midland, Texas. As we were about to land Hosea Kutako (Windhoek) we looked out the window and I said, "Looks like we're about to land in Midland." Sure looked like Texas to me.
Driving on the dirt roads was great - no other cars for 2 hours, only springbok, hartebeest, oryxes, warthogs, an occasional snake or tortoise. On the other hand, driving on paved roads scared the hell out of me - drunk drivers thinking they were on the Autobahn, small Toyotas crammed with 13 people passing on the left (traffic drives on the left side in Namibia), tourists stopped just over the rise to take pictures of the baboons.
I've tented enough under wintry conditions, and slept (or stayed alert) not a few times under ponchos, to appreciate a nice clean linened bed, after a sundowner and braai. But, yes, I still like to hear the sounds of Africa at night under a sky full of stars.