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Hunting in South Africa

It looks like I have upset some people and that was not my intention. I agree fully with A-MURULA that a lot goes into setting up a hunt but this is catering for a target market of the wealthy. As a hunter I believe that we should be able to offer the not so wealthy the opportunity to enjoy an African hunt without all the luxury (and yes sometimes sleeping in a tent under a tree makes the hunt so much more real, breaking away from the city). I have not had the opportunity to hunt the big 5 ($$$$$$) but have managed to shoot some good trophies on a small budget. Yes when a PH takes the responsibility of taking somebody on a hunt that person is his responsibility and a lot of costs are associated with this but surly a more cost effective option (doing away with the 5 star treatment) is available. I speak for myself when I say I would rather rough it a little and have the opportunity to hunt than not hunt at all.

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Hunting in South Africa

One big thing people have wrong is they think big money to hunt Africa and thats wrong you can do a great 7 day 6 animal package with taxi,airfare, and shippment of animals back for under $10,000 to add i spent $6,500 just for a elk hunt here in the states. I also can get ya great prices to hunt over there. But the biggest thing is everyone needs to do there home work !!!!! if any one is interested you can e-mail me as well.

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Hunting in South Africa

I would like to add my 2 cents worth in on this topic of hunting the "Dark Continent" known as Africa and primarily South Africa. Now before I do so I would like to address Mr. Gemsbok and just say this: I love to hunt elk but have never been able to spring for an outfitter, who was going to charge me $6500 dollars to do so and for those who don't know, that is NO GURANTEE of even getting a shot off at said animal. I hunt on Gov't land and have been doing so for many years now. Colorado tags are the least expensive, and we average a total (tags, gas & eats for 2 weeks) over $1500 dollars for our hunts in the high country. Just food for thought hunters!

Now the best way to hunt South Africa in my humble opinion, is to find a few ranchers over there, that are willing to sell you the animal fees and cut out the so called "Outfitter" who stands to make money off of you for the hunt, plus sell your animals meat for $1.10 a pound or more to the area butcher. Example hunters: Zebra which the outfitter will charge you say $900 dollars for harvesting, can be bought for $450 to $600 from the rancher himself. I hope you get my drift on this hunt topic. This is the way to really cut down on your expenses and come home with more animals.

The rancher can take you to the local taxidermist, where in you can also often as not, cut a deal with him and save money. I personally think one is better off just shipping the hides, horns, skulls back to the USA. A bit pitfall is weather or NOT you actually het your animals back, often is the case where you don't and once the outfitter has your money..........well so long it's been good to know yeah!!!

There are also Ship & Pack people there you can contact yourself etc. It just takes a little leg work and you can save at least 30% to 40% on this type of a hunt. You don't need a PH to hunt South Africa! Also there are ranchers who will be your guide and I know of a couple who's son's can be hired for $75 dollars a day US money. The value of a US Dollar in South Afirca is at least 7 dollars to our one.

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Hunting in South Africa

The Best way that i found is to know someone....

When i go over, we do it like we did when i lived there, nothing fancy

Last time i was there, i paid $ 250 US for my blue wildebeast (2003)

I guess im lucky becuase my cousin's boyfriend is a PH in training and we go to his dad's ranch in ALLDAYS and we have yet to have an unfruitful hunt.

ANyway, as soon as the kid gets his PH license, I'll tell him to try and offer cheaper hunts

Cheers

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Yip now people are starting to get my point.
This works great for plains game but you would still need a PH and plenty $$$$$ if you want to go for the big 5.

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Appears that we need to get some facts on the table as opposed to going by what some posters here are attempting to put across without really knowing what they are on about ... point being is that a little info can be dangerous and there are a few points worth considering if you wish to stay out of an African jail, which are generally not nice places!!

The hunting ordinance for the respective provinces in South Africa have common clauses which state:

“A client shall not hunt a wild or exotic animal unless, the hunt has been arranged by a hunting-outfitter; and he is escorted by a professional hunter”

It is also worth noting that:

“ A client means any person not normally resident in the Republic and who pays or rewards any other person for or in connection with the hunting of a wild or exotic animal”

Also as a foreign visitor to RSA you need to clear your firearms at the port of entry; to do this you have to deal with formalities which includes providing correspondance from your Outfitter and PH which confirms your safari and their professional license details. Not doing this means no entry with firearms.

Further more, only a bona fide outfitter can market South African hunts to foreign visitors..anyone attempting to do this and who is not a holder of valid Outfitters licence is liable to be prosectued very quickly. As I work closely with Nature Conservation in each province on a professional basis I can tell you that this is taken very seriously and is going to enjoy a lot more focus.

One last thing, trophies may not leave RSA without requisite permits which includes a copy of the hunting return filed by the PH and Outfitter involved with the specific hunt i.e. if you hunt without their involvement i.e. illegally then obviously no hunting return will be filed which means no trophies leave the country as no one will want anything to do with them.

These laws have been implemented to ensure that foreign clients don't get taken for a ride or ripped off by frauds posing as the last great bwana or outfitters and putting out great prices and taking shortcuts. The same applies to farmers trying to host foriegn hunters in shanty hunts and offering them trophies on the cheap - who takes the rap when the farmer and his "client" are tossed in jail? ... whose gonna be there to bail you out???

Do it properly and deal with a reputable outfitter and you will be suprised to note that there are indeed some great prices to be had if you go about it correctly by example 7 day hunts for 10 plains game animals at $4000 all inclusive.

Peter V

http://www.africanhuntersguild.com

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Peter V hit the nail on the head.

There are many related costs to a hunt that local resident hunters don't see, but are necessary and add to the costs of foreign hunters.  Transportation, lodging, food, trackers, skinners, what to do with the animal after it’s been shot, these factors all add to the cost of the hunt.  Most South African hunts are for less than two weeks.  Foreign hunters don't have the time or local knowledge or facilities to process the animals that they shoot. 

In 40 some years of hunting in Colorado and Montana, I've killed well over 100 big game animals.  They were all DIY hunts and I processed all of the animals myself.  From field to freezer, it can take me up to a week to process one animal.  But I am here, I don't have a plane to catch to get back home.  There is no way a foreign hunter could process 10 animals in 7 days like the example Peter V gave.

I disagree with the comment that "Most foreign hunters have a lot of money."  Yes, some do, but a lot of us scrimp and save for several years for our African hunt.

The comparison is often made between a South African hunt and a western US elk hunt.  Macnab made several posts on how much we foreign hunters over pay for our South African hunts.  I can say the same thing about elk hunts.  I recently saw a show on one of the outdoor channels where two guys did a guided late season elk hunt to northwestern Colorado.  Their cost of the hunt was $5,000 plus licenses, plus transportation, plus tips, etc.  I'll bet the final cost of their hunt was closer to $7,000 to $8,000 each.  On the show they both shot 5 pt bulls.  Last year, I shot a 5 pt bull elk near my home in Montana for a total cost of $13.  $12 for the resident geezer license, and $1 for a cartridge for my .300 Wby.  Now is that really a valid comparison?  I don't think so.

And as for the comment that "I'll only shoot one (animal)."  That dosen't happen much either.  There are so many different animals in Africa, and they are right there in front of you, that the hardest part is to quit shooting.  I've been to South Africa 3 times and I've always ended up shooting more animals that I had planned to.

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Gentlemen it is plain to see tha many here have some mistaken ideas about hunting in Africa in general and RSA in particular. First off lets say on the price diferential between American hunters and RSA locals is not the only diferential that exists in any country on the African continent. There is the prices for locals, then there is a higher price for Europian hunters and finally a price that is even higher for Americans! That is just the way it is, and all the discussion made here will not change that fact of life. It is true that there is added expence to providing a safari for a foreigner than a local citizen but the same added expence applies equally to a hunter from Europe, and the USA, but the outfitters still charge an American more anyway. The local already has his gun permit, the alian doesn't and that has to be applied for by the outfitter, and all paperwork is taken care of by the outfitter before the foreigner arrives to pick him up. All export papers have to be done by the outfitter and all this takes up considerable time and effort.

 

For plains game hunting the most reasonable priced hunting for an American is Namibia, followed closely by RSA. If anyone here is thinking about hunting Cape Buffalo the trophy fee alone will cost you near as much as a buffalo and plains game safari in most other countries. and you can forget elephant all together. About the cheapest place to hunt any of the big five is Mozambeke but  much of the cities game cannot be imported into the US!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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