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hunting rifles for LR shooting?

could someone please explain to my why they recommend .308 for long range shooting? I was comparing ballistics charts and it seems there are better rounds, like the .270 win. I've been thinking of setting up a 3-400 yard range for myself, just for fun with hunting rifles, and was wondering what some of the better calibres would be to use.

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Long range shooting for the purposes generally used means match shooting. I hear someone is making a match bullet in 270 this year, not sure who. But the 30's have had a lock on match grade bullets for a long time. So, I would guess that bullet's has a lot to do with it. Next I would think that the 308 is generally concidered a more accurate round, not sure why. Probally it is a bit more user friendly and let's not forget the short action. I can see the short action for a match rifle. It has to be stiffer! Even without a 40X type single shot and without sleeves ect. the shortness makes it stiffer and in theory more accurate. I think you could bounce from rifle to rifle and find the theory don't hold water other than on carefully spec'd match rifles. If you don't do all the things you need to to gain 1/10th inch, a couple won't mean much. It's kinda like the Indy car. You can take out it's motor and put it in the family sedan and you will end up with a fast car that doesn't handle right.

There are most likely some very accurate 270's but lacking the match grade bullet's, why would anyone that was serious mess with them? I just can't see anyone putting into a match grade rifle the money that goes into them and then shooting matches with hunting quality bullet's, good as the might be.

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Your question should be a new thread. The mod can split this.

To answer your question. At 3-400 yds any rifle that you can get to shoot at less than 1/2 moa would fill the bill for target. 1/4 moa would be better.
The short case rounds have an inherent accuracy and a round with a bullet that has a high BC and is heavy for caliber. The more popular, over the counter, bullets/rounds with a high BC are the 223, 260, 7-08, 308.

I have a very accurate 270wsm. The 140gr Nosler accubonds fly with exceptional accuracy. This is in my rifle. I'm pushing the bullet 300 to 400 fps faster than a 270 win. You may or may not get the same results from your 270win.

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I am a long-range target shooter, and I do recommend .308 as a starting long-range round.

But I recommend the .308 for several basic reasons, none of which have anything to do with inherent accuracy, short powder column, etc--

1. There is good factory ammunition, appropriate for long-range shooting, available from multiple sources, in stores almost everywhere

2. For reloading there are many excellent "standard" long-range recipes and a lot of great components available

3. It will be cheaper to shoot and have less recoil than more powerful calibers. This is important because skill is most important to making long-range hits, and skill comes from a lot of practice. If you can't afford to shoot enough or you can't shoot enough because of the recoil impulse, then you will not be able to develop the skills needed for LR hits.

4. It's easy to buy off the shelf rifles which are set up more or less right for LR shooting.

By the time someone has enough skill to actually partake in ethical long-range hunting, they will know enough to choose a caliber appropriate for it.

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Why the .308?

BECAUSE.....it's a proven round!

Most folks......can't outshoot it!

I've seen it hold 1/2 of the X ring on vertical deviation for over 100 rounds straight from 1000 yds.! That's just 5"....if you don't already know!

The shooter? Nancy Gallegher at Raton, N. Mexico in 1992. I was coaching her! lol lol

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Night Raider wrote:
could someone please explain to my why they recommend .308 for long range shooting? I was comparing ballistics charts and it seems there are better rounds, like the .270 win. I've been thinking of setting up a 3-400 yard range for myself, just for fun with hunting rifles, and was wondering what some of the better calibres would be to use.

thanks

I have been thinking of doing a range myself. Getting a 4 wheeler so setting it up should be pretty easy. Got a lot of country here where I can do it but I'm thinking out to 500yds for now. Lot's of different terrain from steep, to canyon's to flat. I'll need a different scope to go beyond that. Just might be that this could be a great game for hunter's. Not sure where I'll get the plates at tho. Maybe I'll just srart out with my paper plates. I use 5 1/2" plates set a random now out to a bit over 200 yds. I have clothes pins fixed to the top of 1/2 x 1/2" stakes that I set them out with. It would be a lot more convient to listen for the sound of a bullet hitting steel tho. Wouldn't have to go to each target to see if you scored.

You could go to 400yd ranges and limit the type of rifle and scope used. In fact you could set up the range to handle all class of rifles and scopes. It would be nice if you could get more guy's doing these things off season. Heck, we're more shooter's than hunter's anyway.

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Go to the local scrap metal shop and get the plates Don. It wouldn't be that expensive and would last a long time.

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What thickness? About 3/8" ?

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If you can get AR400 or AR500 steel, definitely use that. I believe our plates are 3/8" and they hold up to any non-AP rifle fire from 100 yards or further.

Soft mild steel plates will get pitted severely. They also don't "ring" as well as the AR plate because they are getting deformed by the bullet impact.

Velocity is the killer for steel.

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Velocity is the killer of steel......Indeed it is, a lesson I learned many years ago. I was shooting a 7mm Rem Mag and my best friend a 264 Win Mag. We found a piece of steel plate, 3/8 or 1/2 I don't remember, and he bet me his 264 with a 100gr bullet would shoot thru and my 7mm with a 175gr Nosler wouldn't. Well I fell into that one and lost. The 264 bored neat little holes and the 7mm made big dimples on the back without penetrating thru.

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the 30-06 isnt any slouch

the 30-06 isnt any slouch when it comes to shooting against a 308.the 06 handles 180 alot better than the 308.my 2 cents

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