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Is hunting really threatened by animal-rights activists?

I wrote Mr Wayne LaPierre a personal letter about this and never received a response from him. But here is the way it was explained to me. Hunting has nothing to do with your second ammendment right to bear arms. The NRA feels that he would uphold your right to bear arms or at least vote with the NRA but how he votes on animal issues has nothing to do with the NRA. You don't get PAC money from the HSUS unless they can count on your vote. Ever hear of COVERT actions and spies. Thanks Buck

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Wow, this one's busy.

I take issue with the statement that hunting has nothing to do with 2nd Amendment rights. Seems to me that outlawing arms would make it a whole lot more difficult to hunt. Granted, here in Alabama they have a spear season for deer (no kidding), but spears are also lethal weapons that would fall into the "arms" category.

It's politically impossible for the NRA to abandon hunting. If it did, it would lose its membership, its financial support, and most of its board of directors. In other words, it would cease to exist as a political force. Although the 2nd Amendment wasn't created to preserve hunting, the two are inextricably linked -- especially at the NRA.

As far as politicians go, how much PAC money and political clout does HSUS generate vs. the NRA? If I was an NRA-endorsed Republican running for office, I think I'd be reluctant to ally myself with HSUS and risk losing that support. But if a politician was shrewd enough to secure funding from such diametrically opposed parties, there's no telling what he could get done in Washington.

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These people here sent Wayne Allard a questionare to fill out about sportsmen rights and it was never returned. Does that tell you something? 0 Days Until Election Day 2002!

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Also what if I am a cockfighter? I am also the grandson of a WW1 vet, the son of a WW2 vet, the father of a desert storm vet, and myself a Viet Nam veteran. I believe in GOD country and the boy scout oath that I took many years ago. The pledge of alliegence says ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. We are no longer one nation, we can't say god, the politicians have us divided by race, creed, religion, sexuality, smokers and non smokers,the corrupt courts don't apply the law equally and I have no liberty or freedom to pursue what I want to do. So I ask is this the America that our cock fighting gave us (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abe Lincoln)? Thanks for every thing BUCK

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Ok, buck, I'm seeing the association to the American Humane Association. Even Allard admits that he was voted their "Legislator of the Year."

But why did he win that recognition? In the words of the AHA, it was because because of 1) trying to eliminate interstate trafficking in poultry for poultry conflict; 2) lobbying for pet owners to tag their pets, and 3) pushing to inform deploying military members of pet care measures available to them.

Maybe I'm thick, but I'm still not seeing the smoking gun. Allard didn't try to end cockfighting (his term); he simply used the interstate commerce clause to prevent sending chickens across state lines for the purpose. Oklahoma can keep throwing as many chickens in the ring as they want; they just can't import them. As someone that's raised chickens, I can tell you that it's not that tough, nor are they so precious a commodity that they can't be produced locally. The only impact is that it prevents the three states from having a national championship.

So if there's other issues where Allard supported animal rights in a way that affected hunters, I'd like to know. I don't vote in Colorado and the campaign is basically over, but I'm curious nevertheless. I've never seen anyone argue a disconnect between the NRA and animal rights.

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Expatriate if you have the same agenda as the AR's then the PAC money is just butter on your bread? Again I ask you people ever hear of COVERT action? And also you don't have to use animals as living targets, they make bulls eyes and skeet, these are not my saying or writtings but its the one that the AR's are going to use against you! Its hard to make gravey with them skeets or dressing. You must also realize that in the concrete forrests (cities) they only hunt each other with drive bys. In this world they think BAMBI talks and the only ducks they know is DONALD, DAFFY, and YACKI DOODLE. Now do you all have a clue as to where I'm coming from. You see we have been battling these people since 1978 ever since the animal rights act was passed, we know them well! Thanks again BUCK

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I used to be a die hard REPUBLICAN, I was a member of Ronald Regans task force, gave money to the party. All I want to tell you is that you can pin a trunk on a liberal donkey and call him a elephant but when you walk behind him and see the broom tail you know he is still a jackass! Ever hear of Mr Jeffers, what did he do?

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Buck:
I'm still a Republican and know all about donkeys that like to parade as elephants. I also used to live right down the road from PETA headquarters and know more than I care to about the AR agenda.

I understand what you're saying about covert action. Yet to my knowledge the federal registry is an overt document, and changes to it must be overt as well. Thus, I worry about voting records and public statements, not covert links to organizations. That's why I'm asking if you have any record of legislative action or public statement where Allard indicated intent to initiate or support legislative action that would adversely impact hunters.

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The move to ban cockfighting started long long before any of us here were even alive, let alone before the modern animal rights movement was formed. Many states outlawed it even before your Granddad fought in WWI, Buck.

http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=646

I fail to see how the ban on cockfighting in Oklahoma (if it passes) will necessarily lead to the elimination of hunting rights.

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Do you people read these post in their entirety? What Buck is trying to tell you that regardless of whether it is the rooster fighters today or the duck hunters, big game hunters, or fishermen tomorrow, we must all come together to stop the HSUS and PETA from taking any of our rights. Rooster fighter are Americans just like everyone else and they deserve the right to pursue their happiness the same as you and I. Buck is a veteran and deserves our support whether it is on the front lines or in the polling booths. Never fear Buck I see where you are coming from and I am in your corner. Powder

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