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This story is a little off topic but it will make you feel good. About two years ago, I took my daughter to Bass Pro Shop for her hunter safety course and the DNR from Illinois came and spent a 1/2-hour just on the topic of hunters’ rights. This included animal rights groups, harassment, and your rights as a hunter. Then he talked about how to gracefully get away from the harassing group or person and document the assault so DNR and Police can take action. He made it quite clear that they have zero tolerance for harassment.

He went on to say that three hunters near the Wisconsin, Illinois border went hunting for waterfowl and an animal-rights activist flying an ultra-light airplane was harassing them. The three men took photos and documented what happened and call the DNR, the DNR gave them this cell phone number and said if you see him tomorrow give me a call. The next day the ultra-light airplane was their buzzing them. The DNR came out to see what was happing and said he will take care of this. The end result was over $10,000 dollars in fines the ultra-light airplane was confiscated and sold an auction. This animal-rights activist did have a history of harassing so DNR, FAA and Police went for maximum punishment in this case.

We do have some rights.

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ORP

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We do have rights but nobody wants to be the first to stand up for them.

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Hi Orp0741,

That is a good point which I had not thought of. By eliminating hunting it does eliminate jobs and it does effect local economies greatly. This is the same arguement (in essence) made by the logging industry (hug a logger not a tree).

Chestergolf is right too, the long term trend is that the ability to hunt is getting more and more expensive. Our granddad's went and shot a deer for the cost of a gun and a bullet. Now you have to pay all kind of fees, that seems to spiral upward with every passing year. These cost barriers do inhibit new people from trying hunting.

I'm not saying that our Granddad's had it right though either. Free for all hunting did drive a lot of species populations to all time lows and some to extinction within certain regions.

I've heard stats thrown around that something like 10% of the U.S. populations hunts, 10% is against hunting, and the other 80% don't care. The 80% is critical in preserving hunting. The 80% are the ones that get tired of deer eating their crops, gardens, flowers, or running into them. The 80% are the ones that are terrified of bears anywhere in the backyard and want them gone. As game populations spiral upwards through reduced hunting (either by legistation or reduced hunters), these 80% start coming out in favor of hunters, even if they aren't hunters themselves. So it is critical to maintain a good relationship with this non-hunting-but-not-against hunting population.

Although, I'm not quite sure how "maintaining a good relationship" is achieved....

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That is interesting about that ultra-light too. Never heard of such a thing. I guess seeking a fine would be the civil thing to do. However, where I hunt the bastard stood a damn good chance of getting his a$$ shot out of the air with a rifle. No fooling.

Hello??? confused? Are these animal-rights types all brain dead?

This guy is going off to "save the ducks", by pissing off a bunch of hunters who:

A.) Have guns.
B.) Know how to shoot guns.
C.) Like to shoot things out of the air.
D.) Would like nothing more than to teach a few of these ijits "a lesson".

Not saying I'd shoot the guy out of the air, but I've been around hunters that probably would take a pot shot or two, just to wing the plane (not kill him).

Maybe this would be "duck saver" was actually trying to commit suicide. I mean, ***sheeeesh***, this is like going to the running of the bulls over in spain, and wearing a big red flag on your rear end (gore me, please!).

In any rate if this pilot did get himself killed he would definitely be a candidate for a Darwin Award.

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I agree with most of what is being said. However, I am completely apalled at what was said about shooting at the harrasser. If you wonder why these people are so adiment about the hunting rights and gun rights it is because of the stupidity like that.

I have been hunting for a long time. I have also been in law enforcement for a long time. The comment about shooting at somebody was ridiculous and immature. If you would personally do this shame on you. There is no humor or honor in such an action. If it really is like that where you live I would personally move.. If they would do that to them who is to say that they would not shoot at you or your family?
Just a thought!

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Fire6469:
Much as I appreciate Bitmasher's sense of humor,I can see your point. As sportsmen, we may all understand the context of a sarcastic comment and file it accordingly. Yet it's been established that a lot of these protesters aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the pack. Taken out of context, it could be construed that we support use of deadly force to supress first amendment rights. I know that's not what Bitmasher intended, but recent election propaganda shows how any quote can be taken out of context and twisted around against you.

That said, I'm a bit frustrated that the rules of debate seem to have been rewritten to say that hunters must not say anything, even in joking amongst themselves, that might offend the delicate anti-hunter. Yet antis get to crank out the most inflammatory (and even violent) rhetoric possible in vast public forums, and the media keeps quiet or even supports them. That's what appalls me -- that ecoterrorists are allowed to advocate and undertake violence against people engaged in lawful activity, yet we're the bad guys because we tell a joke about stopping them.

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Fire6469, please state how my post is helping the anti-gun or anti-hunting movement.

The duck hunters referred to by Orp, did not go out looking to tangle with an ultra-light. The ulta-light pilot was engaging in a premediate plan to destroy their hunting opportunity, on not one, but two seperate days. Furthermore the pilot in question had a history of engaging in this sort of activity. Making a career of pissing off hunters sounds like a growth opportunity.

Now even though this pilot is a real jacka$$, he does not deserve to be shot and I stated in my post that I would not shoot at him, nor did I try to glorify any would be shooter. I didn't even say that I condoned shooting at the pilot.

Now here is the subtly (read this carefully), I said, I knew of hunters that would have taken a pot-shot or two. Right or wrong, some hunters would have been enraged on the second day of this annoying activity by this thoughtless pilot. It is my belief that some of these enraged hunters would have taken a shot. Ridiculous and immature perhaps, but hunters have these misgivings just like any other human.

Now giving you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps that is just a "glimmer" of evidence for the anti-gun crowd. I say a "glimmer" because it is a weak arguement for an anti-gun activist to say: "We need to remove all guns, so that the rare enraged hunter doesn't shoot an anti-hunting activitist that is repeatedly harrassing the enraged hunter."

I'm not trying to slam you or start a flame war (starting a flame war with a guy named Fire would be bad right? Wink).

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Lets take a moment to pull our head out of our A$$ and stop thinking like a Wal-Mart security guard. If I was in the hunters’ predicament with the ultra-light I would be tempted to take a 7mm Remington Mag. and shoot at the engine. But the word of the day is tempted and I would make a statement like that on a national level. Anyway, if someone did shoot him down and it made national news, in the grand scheme of things it would be meaningless. It would likely invoke a short-term response by the lead-me-by-the-nose-people. Politicians might send out a press release that would be insignificant in content making sure not to offend anyone (the voters), because they will be looking at this:

Now ask yourself this, “What type of statement and media forum would I have to use to change political policy being up against revenue numbers like these, and how much will it cost?”

Bitmasher, your reply was great and funny. You don’t need to defend yourself especially on a public forum. I always thought forums like this are set up for all types of opinions; otherwise it would be like talking to yourself.

ORP

P.S. Just a thought if hunting was a business making that $22,104,313,660 billion a year it would be 35 in the fortune 500 list.
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Maybe this will help you to know if they are really after us!IS IT TRUE?

Truth is sincerity in action, character, and utterance

.......An example of the relationship between the industry and its workers is demonstrated by the Humane Society of the United States’ (HSUS) recent hiring of John Paul "JP" Goodwin, previously of the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade (CAFT).(3) Goodwin, who dropped out of high school to pursue protests, and stated, "My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture", is now a full-fledged DC-based conflict industrialist.........

His dream: "If ALF was to get an above-ground voice, a political lobby, that is the next challenge
Source: http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF03i.htm

The Truth Is That HUMANElines is a a project of The Humane Society of the United States and The Fund for Animals, that the HumaneUSA PAC was a creation of Wayne Pacelle and that Wayne Pacelle was hired directly from The Fund for Animals by The Humane Society Of The United States......

Hammer: So the real agenda and goal of Fund For Animals is a total ban on all hunting everywhere?

Pacelle: Yes.

Hammer: So all this debate about whether or not the Black Bear is threatened or endangered and the actual number of Black Bear that we have in Florida is really irrelevant since the goal of your organization is to ban all hunting everywhere?

Pacelle: Yes, but we also oppose dog fights and cock fights.

Hammer: Wait a minute. We're not talking about dog fights or cock fights. We're talking about hunting and I want everybody to pay attention and understand that all this emotional debate and rhetoric has nothing to do with Black Bears -- it is designed to help achieve a total ban of all hunting period.

Cole: Hey, I agree with Wayne. I'm opposed to all hunting everywhere also.

Hammer: That's your choice but the bottom line is that Wayne has finally admitted that Fund for Animals is out to ban all hunting everywhere. I hope people are paying attention because we finally have gotten them to publicly admit their real agenda.

Source: http://www.responsiblewildlifemanagement.org/on_hunting.htm
SO IS IT TRUE?

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Is hunting really threatened by animal-rights activists?

Maybe this will help you to know if they are really after us!IS IT TRUE?

Truth is sincerity in action, character, and utterance

.......An example of the relationship between the industry and its workers is demonstrated by the Humane Society of the United States’ (HSUS) recent hiring of John Paul "JP" Goodwin, previously of the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade (CAFT).(3) Goodwin, who dropped out of high school to pursue protests, and stated, "My goal is the abolition of all animal agriculture", is now a full-fledged DC-based conflict industrialist.........

His dream: "If ALF was to get an above-ground voice, a political lobby, that is the next challenge
Source: http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF03i.htm

The Truth Is That HUMANElines is a a project of The Humane Society of the United States and The Fund for Animals, that the HumaneUSA PAC was a creation of Wayne Pacelle and that Wayne Pacelle was hired directly from The Fund for Animals by The Humane Society Of The United States......

Hammer: So the real agenda and goal of Fund For Animals is a total ban on all hunting everywhere?

Pacelle: Yes.

Hammer: So all this debate about whether or not the Black Bear is threatened or endangered and the actual number of Black Bear that we have in Florida is really irrelevant since the goal of your organization is to ban all hunting everywhere?

Pacelle: Yes, but we also oppose dog fights and cock fights.

Hammer: Wait a minute. We're not talking about dog fights or cock fights. We're talking about hunting and I want everybody to pay attention and understand that all this emotional debate and rhetoric has nothing to do with Black Bears -- it is designed to help achieve a total ban of all hunting period.

Cole: Hey, I agree with Wayne. I'm opposed to all hunting everywhere also.

Hammer: That's your choice but the bottom line is that Wayne has finally admitted that Fund for Animals is out to ban all hunting everywhere. I hope people are paying attention because we finally have gotten them to publicly admit their real agenda.

Source: http://www.responsiblewildlifemanagement.org/on_hunting.htm
SO IS IT TRUE?

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