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Should the size of the

Should the size of the antlers effect how much effort you put into finding a animal or the way you would track one? In my opinion If you make a iffy shot you should give them a couple hours before tracking. If you jump him after a couple hours you your best bet is to go back to camp and be on the blood trail at sun up. I have learned from experience if you jump them more than once or twice your odds of finding them go way down. After they have bedded for several hours you will not find any blood when they get up and run. Then your stuck tracking. The hunter should of been able to tell if the bull was dead before shooting light or not. If it was freshly killed it's fair game. (don't think I'd help pack it out though) If it was stiffening up already I think it is BS that they took the bull and I would have probably gotten physical.

The hunter should of kept his mouth shut about shooting the big bull until he found him

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I use a method that mostly

I use a method that mostly avoids this from happening. I'm a solo hunter, and the last thing I want is to track, and try to get the meat out in the dark. I'm where I want to be at daylight. I'll try to catch the elk coming back to their beds. If not I still hunt until about 2pm. Then i'm gone until the next day. If it's an early season hunt. I'll stay later, because of more daylight. So, the 2pm isn't a set time, but I always give myself time to track a shot elk/deer.

My way is at least 8hours of steady hunting with just a couple of light snacks. More than enough for me, but that's one of the advantages of still hunting. It can be done all day.

I know a lot of hunter just hunt the early and late hours, and hang around camp during the day. That doesn't work for me.

I guess what i'm saying is, if you're going to hunt later in the day. You should be preparred to be out in the dark taking care of business.

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unethical

unethical, is my thinking.. sleazy behaviour by the hunters of the second part.

With the arrow in it, that bull was technically a "fast fish" in terms of the whaling law..

http://www.americanliterature.com/Melville/MobyDickorTheWhale/90.html

everything I've read says to wait to track the elk, after a non-lethal hit.

Also, if the hunter of the first part was up and on the trail at first light, but the other hunters claimed to have shot the bull by that time, it seems they might have been hunting earlier than the law allows..

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I'm not knocking swiese but

I'm not knocking swiese but we are only hearing one side of the story here. Who is to say that perhaps the bull was not fatally wounded and would of survived the hunt but would of had a sore spot for a few months? Also when he said the first hunter was out there at the crack of dawn was that before light or did he wait until he could see before he left his camp?  In my opinion that once the first hunter left the track dark or not he gave up his claim on that elk and that the elk was fair game for who ever found it or shot it next.  Another question is how long is a hunter able to claim a animal after he has shot it? One, two, three days, or even a week if his arrow is in the animal?    

There are way too many unanswered questions here for any of us to reach a conclusion.

I once shot a nice 4x4 buck with a arrow. I tracked him down the hill past my camp and then back up the hill to wards where I had hit him at before I lost his trail. The next day a couple of hunters were talking about a buck that they had found that was hung up in a fence but was still alive and that he had a arrow in him. All I did was ask if I could have my arrow back.

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Agree that he who kills has

Agree that he who kills has the right to claim it. Sounds like maybe the guy should have kept his mouth shut and maybe those folks would not have taken his bull. For me I would have tracked it as long as I possibly could have but would not have said anything to anyone outside of my party. On the ethical part, not ethical at all if you know a hunter has an animal wounded like that in the area. Now if the folks had no idea and only found out after the fact, then I say it is good to go. Once while archery hunting I had a bull come past me with an arrow sticking out of his side. Unfortunately I could not get another arrow in him but would have had no problem claiming him as my own as I never saw another hunter in the area. Also my hunting buddy had an average size antelope buck stolen right out of our camp one year in SE Colorado. Who ever took it cut off his tag and left it on the ground in camp.

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Now that is the definition of

Now that is the definition of sleazily, taking a animal out of another hunters camp and leaving the tag just to show that they don't care about what they are doing.

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Yep we were out hunting for

Yep we were out hunting for my goat when it happened. We reprted it to the DOW and they came out and took the report but we never heard anything after that. Would be pretty hard to prove if it was in another camp if they tagged it properly or just took it home.

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Problem with trophy hunting :(

I find this to be disturbing in the hunting community.  I know everyone has their own personal set of reasons for being in the outdoors and hunting, but for me it seems pretty simple. 1- Enjoy as much time in the wild as you can with your friends and family  2- Put meat in the freezer 3- If the good Lord blesses you with monster, be extra thankful.  I have never been interested in the so-called "challenge" of a trophy hunt.  Maybe it is that I just don't have the spare time to be that discriminating when it comes to time off from work and away from the little ones.  I take the outdoors adventures I am blessed with to be a life style rather than a sport.....just my perspective.

 

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The story is fact. I don't

The story is fact. I don't argue that it is their bull and I would have no issue if it had been another hunter that just wondered into the area and shot the bull. My issue is with the hunters going into the area after #1 they knew there was a wounded bull in the area #2 they told original hunter they were going to a different area that morning.

The original hunter is an upstanding man and a very seasoned hunter who has taken many bulls with his bow. Yes, maybe he should have stayed out all night with the bull and he probably shouldn't have trusted strangers. I can't judge his decisions on those choices since I wasn't there.

Maybe the question in this situation should be "What would you have done if you were the other two hunters?" Would you have lied to the hunter and told him you were going into another area and then went after the wounded bull instead? That is my issue with this whole story, regardless if it was a record bull or not.

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Learn form this "story"

swiese wrote:

Maybe the question in this situation should be "What would you have done if you were the other two hunters?" Would you have lied to the hunter and told him you were going into another area and then went after the wounded bull instead? That is my issue with this whole story, regardless if it was a record bull or not.

If I was the other hunter that found out there was a huge bull out there with an arrow in it I would still be hunting in my original planned area and not focused on finding somebody elses animal to claim as mine. Bottom line these "hunters" may have been unethical by going after a "known" big bull not down. Real bottom line - get over it and learn from this situation. Better shot placement, sticking to the tracking of the animal as needed, and don't open your mouth to strangers outside of your camp.

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