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Hunting Deer with Dogs?

Ran across this article about hunting deer with dogs in GA. This is a new thing to me, I've heard of hunting predators with dogs (cats and bears), but not deer.

What is the objective of using dogs with deer? Deer won't tree (at least none that I've seen), so I'm somewhat suprised to hear folks pursue deer with dogs. Not that I've got a "high minded" attitude about it (since I don't know anything about it), but I'm just curious as to what purpose dogs serve.

Seems that if folks want to hunt with dogs, they should be kept to their own season though (just like archers want to be seperate from firearms hunters). I can imagine it would be bothersome to those who don't use dogs. Any thoughts?

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I think the area that dogs are used in (and many areas they aren't) are too thick for people to get into to get the deer out. They send a dog in to sniff out the deer and get them moving. The hunters are set up on the perimiters of the area the dogs are running and intercept them when they come out. I hunted in the south a couple of times and can see that they would be very useful.

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Well this is a touchy subject down here in the south, I have beeen to some of those meetings similar to the one mentioned in the article and they can get rough. See the thing is that some "Deer Doggers" (as we call them)are out to simply take a deer no matter what the cost.The way they hunt is to turn the dogs loose and run up and down the roads in their pickups to try and get in front of the dogs so that they can shoot the deer when it crosses a road or other open spot. In an area I hunt near Cheaha Mountain where the deer are extremely scarce the deer doggers will turn their dogs loose on the border of one county and then let them run into the bordering county even though it is illegal to hunt with dogs in that county. I've seen deer doggers kill does, small spikes, and they shoot at every thing they see. Most will cross private property lines with no hesitation whatsoever.

And as for the dogs some of the most mistreated animals I have EVER seen were deer dogs.If the dogs don't perform correctly they are sometimes even left in the woods, at least twice in the past three years I have found dogs wandering on or near our property and called the owners(names and Phone # on dogs collars) and had them tell me to take the collar off the dog and leave the dog in the woods. Not all Deer doggers are like this, but I would say that 90% of the ones that I have met are.

And one last thing in the counties where dog hunting has been banned we have experienced a large growth in deer populations as well as in antler size and deer age. These are just my thoughts and by no means the opinions of all hunters in the South.

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Well here goes another one of those touchy subjects, especially down here in the south.
I was raised running hounds and only just recently(15 years ago) quit chasing hounds and started still hunting.
The hunt goes pretty much as hunter777 stated. Someone in the party of hunters, usually about 10 hunters, will track the roads in the area thru out the night and keep tabs on the movement of certain deer believed to be bucks. Then at daybreak the party will gather and decide which of the freshest of the buck tracks they will hunt 1st. Then, according to conditions, it will be decided which dogs are best suited for the task at hand and turned loose on the track with hopes that they will flush a nice buck. The reasons for hunting with dogs are the obvious, thick, and I mean thick woods and secondly those nocturnal bucks that will only show themselves at night unless flushed.
Hunting with dogs is a very expensive method of hunting.
I dont know who bnow has been around but most of the hunters that I know pay upwards to $800.00 to $1200.00 apiece for their walker hounds and would just as soon shoot anyone mistreating them. There are those few that do mistreat their dogs, they usually mistreat their kids and beat their wives alsowhich makes them PUNKS. Add the cost of keeping the dogs fed thru the year, vet bills, Fuel and upkeep for the trucks and it wont take you long to get into some serious cash flow which is the reason I quit coupled with the fact that it takes large areas to hunt with dogs ane there are very few large tracs of land around anymore.
Bnow is correct in that dog hunters will trespass across private property and for that there is no excuse. I have also seen them come into a still hunt area and put the dogs out and hunt till the Game Wardens are called and then skeedaddle it outta there. But it has been my experience that those are only the minority of the dog hunting parties but as with ATV hunters its the ones who do stupid things that give everyone a bad rap.
Chasing hounds is an age-old tradition here that has run its course. With the population moving outta the suburbs and into the country there will be more and more hunter- private property owner clashes. After all dogs cant read a "No Trespassing" sign.

One last note, here in Florida trespassing with a firearm is a felony. Forfiture of everything that is used to trespass with a firearm is part of the punishment. This includes your vehicle, firearm, clothes, tools and other items inside or attached to yourself or your vehicle.

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JTapia is correct in that some of the dogs are expensive. I have never heard of anyone using the method that Hunter777 and JTapia wrote about but it seems to be a little more ethical than how they run dogs around here. I have seen these guys get their dogs out on National Forest Lands and actually walk them up to our private land border and then turn them loose.

Not all deer doggers are bad. Like JTapia my dad also hunted with dogs until about 10 years ago. But now we go to the meetings in several counties where they are considering banning dog hunting. The guys around here have no concern(or so it seems) for deer mangement. About 3-4 years ago they outlawed hunting with dogs in a nieghboring county and since then throughout most of that county we have seen better numbers of deer as well as better quality bucks.

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Check This out A treed deer http://www.whitetails.com/humor97.html

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I was in my deer stand this year and a dog walked out that looked like she was goin to die. Every bone in her body was showing and she was all cut up. So I called her over she had her tags with a name and phone number. When I called the number I was told she is a coyote dog and that he had turned 4 go on a creek like 10 miles from here and lost 3. I had never heard of this so he told me he just turns them free and they go where they want and kill what they find. Finaly the guy came to pick her up and said oh she just looks like this she never puts on any weight.

The dogs can be abused but some are treated better than I am because of the $2000 or more price tag. Its all in the owner.

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I have to ask bnow, is that you in the stand? Grin

Great picture!!!!

When I hunted with dogs loosing one was almost a daily occurance. Deer dogs are high strung dogs and they throughly enjoy the chase also and sometimes dont know when to quit. Usually though I found him/her that same day or night. Only a few occasions did someone else find them and gave me a call. I never did loose one permantly.
One trick I used was to just throw an old shirt that I had worn and a lil dog food beside the road and wait a few hours and go back to that spot. More often than not there was the dog laying on the shirt with belly full.

There was one fella, older man, that had his dogs trail barkings recorded and he would ride around town listening to that tape just as you or I would listen to our favorite CD. He could tell you which dog was barking and what she was doing, trailing or actually in a race (we call it a race when the dog actually has the deer in sight)as they do sound different according to what they are doing at the moment. thats hardcore dog hunter.

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Nope not me JTapia, Altough I wish it was that's the best deer I've seen this season. I know what you mean about the dogs sounding different we just got rid of our last pack of rabbit hounds a year or so ago. I can understand why guys like dog huntin because I know that there's nothing like standing in the middle of a swamp in the early morning watching the sun come up and listen to your dogs hot on the trail of a rabbit. I like Georgia's law that hunters must have 1000 acres of continous land that has to be inspected and approved by some agency before it can be dog hunted.

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Hey bnow, I went back to that site the photo was from and surfed around on it. Great place with lots of great stuff. I recommend it to all that come here. Thanks.

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While that might appear to be a treed deer it is actually a trained deer mercenary (deer-merc) about to deal a fatal hoof chop to the unsuspecting hunter. Poor guy, that photo was top secret, a CIA mole must have leaked it.

If you don't know about deer-mercs you need to bone up fast. Training files and photos can be found here.

The forest is a dangerous place.

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