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Location: Olympia, WA
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Hunter Orange no longer required

OK, false advertising, I admit it. Shoot me, it has been way too quiet around here lately.

Hunter Orange is still required out here. But, you tell me why. Bow hunters don't seem to shoot each other too often. Muzzleloaders don't knock each other down very often, heck muzzle loaders are good out to over 100yards anymore. Maybe we should make sure they wear 400 square inches of hunter orange? I personally do not know one hunter who aims his weapon at noise, or to see whats coming thru his scope. In thick brush, hunters make noise, deer still seem to slide thru without much noise, I know the difference, I also know not to aim a weapon at noise.

Personally, I think that hunter orange requirements have been established to make enforcement easier. Current square inch requirements are a bit over the top. How about a requirement where you must have say 100 square inches of orange above the waistline? I think game animals can pick you up with so much of the orange on, color blind, color indifferent or not. Go duck hunting without shadowgrass gear on and see what happens. Go turkey hunting without camo... you get my point.

For the purposes of safety, I believe a hat would be enough. When deer and elk hunting, I do appreciate the color on hunters so that I may decide not to hike up a canyon, if I notice a chunk of orange out in the middle of the hill.....I pick another area to hunt. Orange on upland hunters is definitely a must. And, if you get lost or injured, you definetly want a big ol' chunk of orange or bright color to help rescue efforts.... But do we really need 400 square inches of the material on each guy out there?

Don't most hunters get shot while loading and unloading their weapons? If safety is the big concern, I would push for an educational campaign where we address the true threats to hunters. Physical health, loading and unloading of weapons...etc..... I would bet that most firearm related injuries occur up close and personal, at camp, at the truck when loading and unloading, on the trail when hiking with others, not across a canyon, or in heavy brush while hunting. I think that the term "hunting accident" is a mis-nomer, makes us look bad. Instead, maybe accidents should be called what they are, IE; "a man injured his friend while unloading his rifle..." would be; Unsafe gun handling accident. If our friend has a heart attack while hunting, because he was not in shape, and tried to do too much, we don't call this a "hunting" injury.... Both guys were hunting...

Aside form my rambling, what do you think? Is 400 square inches of Blaze Orange overkill? Would 100 inches suffice?

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Location: Wa.
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I remember when you didn't have to wear the orange.
I keep reading about claims of rifle hunters that are making those 300 to 400 yd. shot on their quarry with a range finder, a high power scope and a pair of binoculars. Where's the concern of having 400 sq. in. of hunter orange.
I don't rifle hunt as much as I did in the past but when I do. My biggest concern is I hope I don't run into some idiot that shoots anything that moves.

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I wouldn't think of hunting without hunter orange now, but like Fuzzybear, I well remember when you wore whatever your little heart desired.
Regardless of what minimum amount of orange is required, I wear solid orange clothing. Hell, I;m on the inside looking out, not bothering me.
Here's the way our regulation is worded:

Subject to subsection (3), no person shall take, hunt or kill wildlife or attempt to take, hunt or kill wildlife or accompany any person who is hunting unless that person wears a cap or hat and a shirt, vest or coat which shall be exposed to view in such a manner as to be plainly visible from all directions and the colour of which is solid hunter orange.

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Location: OlyWa
Joined: 04/27/2005
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???? Who wears orange? LOL
Until a year or two ago I hardly ever wore it, and yes, I have always been a rifle hunter. I felt that I was a target, a bullseye if you will, a colorful bullseye. If you can't see me (in camo) then you can't hit me, was my way of thinking.

Now here is a concern of mine. I wish they would force "forestry workers" or brushpickers, to wear orange. Last September my son and I were bear hunting in the Capitol Forest and my son watched the brush move and heard crashing sounds, then he saw black. Luckily he was taught to positively identify his target before raising his rifle. It was a dirty little brush picker wearing black pants and sweatshirt, carrying salal. This guy was so far off the beaten path and down a gully that I couldn't belive it.

A brush picker was shot in the face a few years ago in Grays Harbor county. The shooter confused him for a bear.

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Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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When I lived in CA orange wasn't required at all. I only had it on when upland bird hunting in thick cover. Now that I'm in VA ya can't hold a weapon without having it on it seems. But hay atleast ya'll can hunt on Sundays.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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Hey guys, thanks for chiming in, interesting subject. I guess my question is how much is enough? As stated, up North-solid head to toe, so this seems to be the limit on the high side (unless some unscrupulous lawmakers up there decide that it isn't enough and push for legislation where you have to also wave Blaze Orange flags as you hunt also...) What is the limit on the other side of the equasion. How little is enough. I still say a hat is sufficient.

I own a bit of quality hunting clothing, most in camoflauge patterns. While deer and elk hunting I am forced to don' an orange vest over my camo in order to meet the requirement. Or, I could spend extra money and buy quality outerwear in blaze Horizon, or whatever. Now start hiking, you get hot, you want to shed a layer or two, and put the darned vest on top again.

The guys who would not think of hunting without Orange, here is a question for you, do you waterfowl hunt or turkey hunt?

BillytheKidRock, I was coyote hunting in the Capitol Forest this Sunday (Yesterday) and the brushpickers are still there.....

I have reported this many times. I will do again today.

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Location: OlyWa
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Sorry for not directly answering the question. I got off on a tangent and couldn't correct myself.

I do think it helps during rifle season as there are alot of crazy's out there, but full orange as up North is a bit too much for me. I hate wearing orange hats(and never do), but if that was all that was required I would.

Maybe something like 200 square inch minimum. Could be a mixed orange camo patter on a vest. That would be light weight and easy to change.

BTW: did you see any yotes? or more importantly, any fresh bear peeled trees?

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Location: Olympia, WA
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No dogs. I was originally planning to hunt down at Lincoln Creek but found the gates locked at 5am, had to switch plans and took a run thru Cap Forest. Proof of yotes in the area, but i tried my squeaker to no avail. Worked my way up to a mild rabbit trouble, nothing. Even tried a few challenge barks, nothing. Only set up three times. It was quiet, and calm, mild wind, thought for sure I would find something... Gave my mojocritter a mild workout.....Switch plans again, and went into put a few rounds thru the rifle at 250 yards. 55grain/243, looking good, getting ready for a run down to Goldendale. Much more fun to hunt in the open. Forest yote hunting is a big pain....may have lot's of lookers, but you would seldom know...

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Location: OlyWa
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I have managed to call in a few in the CF, but mostly when I am bear calling and I don't want to shoot dogs. Two years ago I had them jump on logs or stumps three different times, so even they have a hard time in those nasty cuts.

Gonna start looking for bear sign soon so we will probably do a little calling for coyotes while out and about.

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Joined: 09/18/2006
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All I know is if my good friend was wearing hunter orange this season,he would still be alive. NO animal is worth dieing over.

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Location: WASHINGTON
Joined: 05/18/2006
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Used to live and hunt in upstate new york, no orange required...too many hunting accidents. i wear it and don't mind, and when i see another hunter where i was headed, i go somewhere else....number one because i don't want to crowd him, number 2 because i don't want to get shot when a deer jumps up and some whack job starts throwing lead down range in my direction...it's a good law, no need for a change, my .02

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