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Hunter ethic question

Hi im a new member to this forum IM 18 from Toronto Canada, and the reason i am on this forum right now is that i am in need of other hunters opinions on a topic in which i chose to focus on for a philosphy class.

Basically Justyify KIlling animals??? IS it right??? why dont people understand it like hunters do???? why do people who are meat eater themselves find this so disturbing???

I would appreciate anyones resonse to this and i hope to make this forum one of my new homes Big smile

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ok as a meat eater and bow hunter people are very far removed from the very thing that feeds them they feel because mikeyds wendys burgerking and the list goes on think it ok if they get the meat from a store they dont have to think about how it got to the table .. lol its way more hard core then a hunter looking out for the game of his or her choice and havin a meat shop handle it for them we the hunter care more for the land and game in witch we hunt then the so called people that are so against hunting it lake of awareness on the non hunters part some people back east still to this day hunt for the meat and not so much for sport /trophy Ifor one eat what im lucky to harvist hope this helps there is a lot more to just see it and kill it .. but the book is still in the heads of all hunters

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appreciate the answer dude thanks alot

Please anyone else who reads this respond with your opionion, Your points are fuel for my arguement for the project i am doing.

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I guess I'm kind of repeating some of what oneshothunter said, but here it is in my words...

People nowadays have distanced themselves from a lot of things about life. They buy their hamburger in a plastic-and-styrofoam package at the supermarket, or wrapped in paper from McDonald's, and live in deliberate ignorance of how it got there.

They don't think about--and don't want to be reminded of!--the fact that it was once a living, breathing bovine who was killed, gutted, skinned, and cut up into pieces so that they could have their dinner. They live in happy denial, subconsciously rationalizing that, because they didn't get their hands dirty doing any of the "icky" stuff, they aren't really responsible for the animal's death.

The one's who are unethical are not the hunters! Indeed, I would argue that hunters are MORE ethical than meat-eaters who never venture beyond their local supermarket. Hunters are intimately aware of the entire process of putting meat on the dinner table. They cannot delude themselves about the animal that has died so that they might eat. They do not live in denial, or rationalize their place in the food chain. They understand and accept their role in nature far more fully and ethically than the anti-hunter with Big Mac on his breath!

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i really appreciate the answers had a pre discussion with my Prof about my topic today, which with the help of your answers so far i was able to destroy it. But i will need more if anyone else can please reply to this. SAy anything even if it is the same thing that the people befor are saying.

i am also gathering information from other people that are not hunters to get opinions on that to, Basically i am creating a self debate between the two arguements

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mans need to eat red meat and his need to reproduce are the two most powerful drives in human nature.If it were not for these two natural instincts we would have been a short lived species.The only argument where the vegetarians even have a foot to stand on is the problem with eating fattty meats like pork and beef on a regular basis,definetly not good for your blood pressure.If people stick to a wild meat diet they will never see a negative impact from thier diet,like you would eating lots of fatty meat over a long period of time.I think the only real argument is if you believe in killing animals in order to feed your family and enjoy a healthy diet full of wild game.I have no proble with people who choose not to hunt or eat wild game but i have a serious problem when people try to alter the law to prevent me or fellow hunters anywhere from harvesting game to eat or harvesting predators in order to protect those game animals from overkilling.I am very proud of the organizations that hunters worldwide have established in order to protect our hunting herratige and those of us who value our hunting herratige should never forget how important they are to our future,we can never let our gaurd down because there will always be a group waiting in the wings with nothing better to do than do thier best to destroy a heratige we hold dear.

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Another thing I thought of, triggered by NONYA's post.

Vegetarians often try to argue that eating meat isn't "natural" for humans. Their arguments are invariably specious, though. They will compare man to a strict carnivore, like lions or tigers, and point out the differences. "Man doesn't have the same kind of digestive system as meat-eaters," they'll say. Or, "Man doesn't have the same kind of teeth as meat-eaters."

Wrong! Man doesn't have the same digestive system or tooth structure as strict carnivores, because he isn't a STRICT carnivore. Man is an omnivore, just like all the other higher primates. Just like babboons, chimpanzees, orangutans, etc. Man is built for eating both meat and plants--not JUST one or the other.

Then they'll try to make the argument that eating meat isn't good for you. Wrong again. Eating TOO MUCH meat isn't good for you. Eating SOME meat is very good for you! (And, of course, whether or not it is good for you is completely irrelevant to any ethical discussion.)

Most people nowadays, especially in developed nations like the U.S., probably eat more meat than is healthy for them. That is in large part due to the fact that humans have a built-in urge to eat meat. Really! The fact that people eat too much meat is good proof that the vegetarians are WRONG when they claim man shouldn't eat any meat! We don't need to stop eating meat completely, we just need to cut down some.

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the majority of people who develope a problem from too much meat eat fatty meats,if they had more wild meat in thier diet this would never become a problem.

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thansk alot guys, your arguements are being documentted for my project. Please anyone else who has not replied who is reading this reply more fuel for the fire thanks alot guys appreciate this.

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Firstshot, the people that are against hunting don't understand it, because they most likely have not been exposed to it. A lot depends on where & how a person grows up. If you are raised with hunting as part of your lifestyle, you will most likely accept it and even embrace it.

People who are far removed from the hunting culture are most likely also far removed from farming & ranching, so they have no concept of where their food comes from.

In our family hunting provides our main source of meat. We prefer wild game to anything in the grocery store.

I don't have a problem with people being against hunting or not wanting to participate in the sport themselves, however I DO have a big problem if they tell me I can't hunt or try to legislate laws against hunting. Anti-hunters are slowing and surely chipping away at hunting with each new law that is passed under the guise of protecting a particular species. For example in many states baiting for bears has been outlawed as well as spring bear hunts.

Good luck with your paper. Tell us if this topic is discussed in your class and what the general consensus is.

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Okay, now cowgal's posting made me think of ANOTHER thing...

Most anti-hunters are HUGELY misinformed about what hunting is like. For instance, here in Colorado, they'll go up to Rocky Mountain National Park and see a herd of elk standing next to the road. So they think elk hunting is simply a matter of driving around until you see a herd, stepping out of your car, and shooting one.

What they don't realize is that these elk haven't been hunted in many generations and so they have no fear of humans and certainly no fear of humans driving by in cars. But they are NOTHING like the the elk that live only a few miles away in areas where the hunting pressure is intense. Elk hunting is usually very hard work, often involves hiking many miles in difficult terrain, and in an average year almost 80% of elk hunters come home without having shot an animal.

Then there's the issue of "trophy hunting." Anti-hunters generally imagine the "trophy hunter" going out and shooting an animal, cutting off the antlers, and leaving everything else behind. Now, there are a tiny, TINY percentage of people who do this. I hesitate to even call them "hunters," though, because in most areas this is illegal and that makes them "poachers," in my book--a poacher being someone who violates the game laws. And calling a poacher a "hunter" is a bit like calling a drug dealer a "pharmacist."

Most hunters--I would estimate in the 98% to 99% range--even those who are mainly interested in getting a trophy set of antlers, will still harvest and use the meat from any animal that they shoot. My impression is that the anti-hunters imagine it to be more like 10% to 15% harvest and use the meat and the rest just take the antlers. This is simply not even CLOSE to being accurate.

Thanks, by the way, for starting this thread. I don't know how useful my postings have been for you, but they've sure given me an opportunity to air my grievances about some of the silly, anti-hunting attitudes that exist!

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