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HSUS Releases "Humane" Ratings for States

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What a ridiculous list of criteria. Among the gems: prohibition of bear hunting, prohibition of cougar hunting, prohibition of mourning dove hunting, prohibition of hunting on Sunday, chaining of dogs, and protection of pets in domestic violence protection orders.

So hunting on Sunday is somehow more cruel to an animal than any other day of he week? Does HSUS believe that animals are Christian?

Hunting cougars is cruel, but cougars killing people's pets and children in their back yards isn't?

A state loses points if it doesn't make it a felony to hunt an endangered species -- even though that's already addressed in the federal Endangered Species Act?

Alaska loses points because it doesn't have a law against cougar hunting...even though there are no cougars in Alaska?

Also, here in Alaska I've seen hats and scarves for sale made out of Husky fur -- woven from shed dog hair. Apparently that's cruel because HSUS expects a state to ban trade in dog or cat fur.

These people are nuts.

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Yet how many of their HSUS shelters are "Kill" shelters?

I'm continually amazed at the mentallity that exists among many people today. I hear it and see it all the time, everywhere. It's unbelievable. I know of an avid group of hikers that I participate a few times with in the outdoors for hiking activities. When asked if they were to ever be attacked or mauled by a cougar or a bear, would they fight back to kill it if they had the means to do so? Most replied - No! They would not kill it to save their own life, and most were horrified with the idea that anyone could do such a thing. Huh? That's the type of mentallity we are dealing with today. These are also the same people who said they would not enact violence back onto a criminal if they were a victim of violent criminal attack. Huh? This is also the same group of people who always gave me absolute hell and chastised me for carrying a folding knife in a sheath on my belt when I go into the outdoors. Of course one time later in the day when someone developed a bad blister and needed some moleskin, guess who had to cut a piece of it to size? Yeah the horrible guy with the dangerous weapon Wacko

I know I know. I don't get it either. That's why I participated with these folks only a few times and called it quits with them. Let them fend for themselves when they don't have the sense to bring a valuable tool like a knife into the outdoors. God forbid anyone would use it as a weapon to defend themselves from the harm of a vicious wild animal.

People move to Colorado wanting to live in the open space and foothills west of Denver. Then they think it's a phenominon when they see bears and cougars in their own yard and are terrified thinking animals have become more abrazen and agressive. Wild animals are the same as they have always been, no different. It's the people who have changed dramatically over the years. Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating decimation of every dangerous wild animal just for the hell of it. But, if a cougar is posing a threat to your safety and well being, don't just stand there and cry, shiver, and hide behind the video camera......shoot the damn thing with a firearm!!

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You know Colorado ranks #3!!! The higher the score/rank the worse its going to be for hunting. A good "humane" rating is very bad for hunters.

Total scores are here:
http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/pdfs/legislation/animal_protection_t...
Check out how your state ranks.

Looks like Idaho and South Dakota have the lowest scores, which means they are the best! Thumbs up

Colorado is right up there with California, New Jersey, Maine, Massachusetts, Illinois, New York.... UGH!!!

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I'm not sure I'd want to be in the woods with a guy who wouldn't even kill a cougar to save his own life. That's just plain stupid. Timothy Treadwell refused to even carry bear spray, because he argued that how could he claim to be a friend to the bears if he had a "can of mace" in his pocket? He was worried the bears would consider him hypocritical. And yet when he was being mauled to death, he was screaming at his girlfriend to hit the bear with a frying pan. Self-preservation is a powerful instinct that tends to overrule emotional delusion.

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Looks like Idaho and South Dakota have the lowest scores, which means they are the best! Thumbs up

Colorado is right up there with California, New Jersey, Maine, Massachusetts, Illinois, New York.... UGH!!!

Sure today it is, that's only because all the Kalifornians, and East Coast folks have all moved here and destroyed the original Colorado way of life. Rewind back not more than 20 years ago and Colorado was much like Idaho, the Dakotas, and Montana. I'm not bashing "humane" because I believe that every normal human being should be as humane as possible. So being a hunter and a sane human I believe in making sure that my kills on game are all clean kills. I don't believe in killing animals just for the heck of it either, there has to be a good reason in my mind. But being near the top of the food chain I understand and accept that some animals need to be utilized for our survival and existance. We live in an age where everyone wants organic foods, and are more willing to pay top dollar for organic foods. Yet fewer and fewer people are willing to pick up a rifle, shotgun, or fishing rod and go out and get their organic food. If we took the mentallity of most Americans today and went back even 2000 years with that mentallity and cultivated that mentallity there is no way that the ones with that mentallity would have existed more than a couple generations before being extinct. Maybe for the best, as it would be a survival of the fittest. Those who want to live and chose life would quickly get a clue as to what is needed to be done. People today can argue that we have evolved and advanced so much today that we don't need to live or think as our forefathers did. Really?? We still need to eat, we still require the nutritional value that many animal products provide to us. We still need to protect our own lives and our family's. We still need living space. Contrary to popular beliefe, as humans we don't encroach on the wilderness or the habitat of animals. We live here on this Earth too just as much as the animals do. Nothing wrong with utilizing nature to carve out an existance for ourselves. Just go to some of these countries where the people hold animals up on a higher scale than humans. See the starvation and malnutrion that plagues those countries. Does PETA and HSUS want us to end up like that? I say no thanks to that idea!

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expatriate wrote:

So hunting on Sunday is somehow more cruel to an animal than any other day of he week? Does HSUS believe that animals are Christian?

That is just silly ex. Everyone knows that if animals were Christians it'd be open season on them, 24/7/365, without mercy. neener!

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I don't have any issues with animals being treated humanely, regardless of whether it's the treatment of pets or methods of hunting.

My biggest issue with HSUS and this "rating" is how it classifies a state as being humane or inhumane according to the state's laws. As has been pointed out above, most of the laws are simply stupid. A large number of the laws are blatantly anti-hunting and have nothing to do with treating an animal humanely. Colorado is one of the top "humane" states, and we've had our hunting eroded slowly over the years by the antis. They have passed laws to outlaw everything from trapping, to spring bear hunts. This did not happen overnight, the antis have slowly chipped away for many years.

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Cowgal, you know as well as I do that all of that stuff started happening after all the Kalifornians and the snobs from the eastern states began moving here. They're to blame for ruining Colorado. I hate to make such a blanket statement and generalise my fellow Americans, because I'm sure that not all of them are like that. All I know is that hunting and hunters had fewer worries and fees before Colorado experienced the major influx of migration and overcrowding that began in the late 1980's of people from other states moving here in masses and changing the way of life here. I just don't think it's appropriate for anti-hunters from any state to come here and tell us how we should use our land or our resources.

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It's true that the influx of imports to Colorado has had a negative affect not only on our hunting, but many of our new laws. I'm not a native - my husband is, in fact he comes from a family that homesteaded here in Colorado. Their ranch is in an area that has attracted many "Boulder types" of people - and it hasn't been good for the community. In fact one of the proposed laws was a requirement that ALL ranchers plant a greenbelt and trees/shrubs to screen their barnyards, equipment, etc., so anyone entering the county would only see "beauty"! Give me a bucket!! That's about as bad as developers buying land next to a hog farm, and then the new home owners insisting that the hog farm clean up the smell. That HAS happened in Colorado.

You know what happens with all the trapped problem bears, mountain lions, and even coyotes from the eastern slope? They're trapped and then dumped in some rancher's backyard to prey on his livestock. Can't have them eating Fifi - but no problem eating a rancher's livelihood!

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I'm a big believer in trapping and releasing mountain lions. Only I think they should be released in suburban Denver or L.A. I've heard the same frustrations vented by Californians who were afraid to let their kids outside because of lions in the area. But they can't do anything about it because urban environmentalists that don't have to live with the lions dictate policy to the people who do.

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