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The fact that it disproportionaly shows twice as many blacks as a percentage than voted for Obama. It's obvious

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Boy, that by definition is the most racist thing i've heard anyone say on here. What you just implied is that black people are uninformed and by interviewing more black people they would only look worse as a race. That's really racist! I can only hope you miss- stated your meaning.

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I'm implying just what I said, sound it out if it's too tough. Do you call the people polled monkeys too just like Ziegler?

The WSJ is all over it. What a joke. Suggest you guys change the topic to something else quickly. Like perhaps election results, whoops, well, maybe guns, and religion, and clinging.

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/zogbys-misleading-poll-of-obama-voters-459/

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Why the need to poke?

Because as he said there is a distinct unwillingness to accept that maybe you don't always have the correct "facts" I think it is the ability to accept an alternate reality that is more than anything the downfall, not being too moderate as has been suggested. The poll was chock a block full of outright untruths, and that's being mild. Why no outrage over questions that are false. That's what confounds me. I know from talking to over a thousand voters that voters are dumb, why distort?

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So you don't understand gun terminology, don't understand how partial birth abortion works, and now obviously don't know what actually counstitutes racism. And yet you think you've got these issues locked down.

Yep -- sounds like an Obama supporter. All emotion and no knowledge. Ever taken a Zogby poll? As Reagan said, "It's not that you're ignorant, it's just that you know so much that isn't so."

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What facts are you talking about bitmaster? Are you the misinformed one?

I will give you the benefit of doubt. The video of the twelve is not statistically significant nor representative of anything, but its still sad, I think you wrote once something to the effect that media is most powerful when it shows you what you suspect. (Remember that?) Even though logically I know that a sampling of 12 is not relevant. I will also fully admit that the video is a bit sneaky, since I expected the questions asked of the twelve (like who is Bill Ayers) to be in the Zogby, which is was not.

However the Zogby results appear to hold water. First off the Zogby shows that 24.3% of the respondents identify themselves as Afr Amer which seems closer to what Obama pool should be. In other words, I've read that roughly 9 out of 10 voting Blacks supported Obama. Therefore I would expect the Black population percentage among Obama supporters to be higher than the general population at large. I see no strong skew in the population make-up of the reported Zogby numbers. No racism.

Also look at the age distribution. The curve fits nicely to other sources that show Obama supports being mostly younger.

Now on to "The Facts"....

Question 208 seems clear and well documented and clearly few new the answer.

Question 209 also it clear and well documented, but the respondents ding McCain instead. Strange.

Question 203 is clear about the plagiarism. I didn't know the answer either:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DB143FF93BA2575AC0A...

Question 200. Less than half new the right answer.

Now when you move to negative reporting of McCain or Palin the answers are in fact much more accurate.

The point of this study shows that Obama supports seem to understand the negatives (or negative reporting) of McCain/Palin but have little or no knowledge of the negatives with Obama/Biden. This suggests media skew. I think it is an interesting idea and the study could have been made more robust with a wider screening and opening the field to McCain supports. Among McCain supports I would expect that the results would basically be the same, with the exception that they would probably score higher on knowledge of Obama negatives.

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It's also interesting to note that conservatives seem to overwhelmingly know more about Obama's platform than Obama's supporters do. It would've been nice if Ziegler had tried to administer the same test for McCain supporters, but now that he's trying to do so Zogby won't do it -- too afraid of the left wing.

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I know from talking to over a thousand voters that voters are dumb, why distort?

While I don't usually like to nit-pick over single sentences, I find this almost hilarious. On one hand you paint the Obama victory as some great conscious awakening to politics and the change that will ensue from this awakening. On the other hand you state that voters are emotional (from previous posts) and dumb.

If voters are dumb, Obama is a "mandate" from fools.

As I've said before, I think voters are by and large intelligent, but the judgment requires solid information which is not being provided by the media.

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If voters are dumb, Obama is a "mandate" from fools.

VERY well said!! Thumbs up

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civetcat wrote:
What facts are you ta

The point of this study shows that Obama supports seem to understand the negatives (or negative reporting) of McCain/Palin but have little or no knowledge of the negatives with Obama/Biden. This suggests media skew. I think it is an interesting idea and the study could have been made more robust with a wider screening and opening the field to McCain supports. Among McCain supports I would expect that the results would basically be the same, with the exception that they would probably score higher on knowledge of Obama negatives.

You are lacking understanding either intentionally or through ignorance if you can't understand why what was reported on about her and the understanding of the general public regarding Palin. She was a virtual unknown by both sides until she was thrown in the spotlight. She came out swinging throwing red meat to the rabid GOP base. Had she been a Dem in the same situation the media would have reported on her in much the same way. They love something new and shiny and she was it. Also, when you attract attention through negative means you will suffer negative coverage.

Just as you purport that, (fit whatever adjective you want here) black, poor, ignorant, dumb, people voted because they watched the evil liberal 'MEDIA' and were herded like cattle to the voting booths it works the other way as well. A great majority of people who don't get as involved in politics like we do they got to know the sound bytes, but that applies to both sides. And, if you are saying the media (which I don't believe is true to the extent you all say) only reports for the left. What about the great numbers of poorer white folk who only listen to talk and church radio or evangelical TV or fox news which lets be honest only reports for the far right. Talk about getting a one sided message on all the issues.

Because, there were and are just as many ignorant or under educated white folks who only had to hear that she hunts and goes to church and that sealed their vote with them being just as green regarding the political scene and other policies as the people shown on that video.

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If Sarah Palin had been a Democrat the press would've knocked off her candidate and put her on the top of the ticket.

They painted her as a dolt on a widespread scale because she hesitated on Katie Couric's gotcha question about her choice of media sources, or on Charlie Gibson's gotcha about his undefined "Bush doctrine."

So they made big news about that, but yet buried Obama's "I've been to 57 states and only two more to go" lunacy -- or Biden's tale of Roosevelt going on TV in 1929. It was completely one-sided.

The stuff they used against her was cooked up to deflect the issues plaguing Obama. People worried about Wright? Deflect attention to Palin's church. Ayers? Ignore that and focus on Todd Palin's brief interest in the AIP. Stupid? See above. People think Obama's elitist? Focus on the cost of her wardrobe. People think Obama doesn't have experience? Pigeonhole Palin as a hick.

It's painfully obvious that Obama had far greater issues than Palin did in every aspect of the anti-Palin platform built by the media. This is more than just a matter of ignoring his issues and amplifying hers -- there's a pattern. Her "negatives" line up perfectly with the issues the Obama campaign was struggling with. The press killed her to help him.

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Must I pull up video links to her appearances and rare interviews??? Unless one were blinded by partisan blinders they could see she wasn't ready for prime time. Her appeal to the the great majority of people she appealed to was the folksy down home I hunt and go to church crowd, knowledge of policy or knowledge in general be damned. Again that was strong mojo for rural white folks, but didn't cut the mustard for the rest of America.

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