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How do you define FAIR CHASE HUNTING?

THERE MAY BE WORSE THINGS THAN HARVESTING YOUR ON FOOD BUT THIS TYPE OF HUNTING IS JUST GIVING THE ANTIS MORE AMUNITION TO USE AGAINST US WORSE THINGS ARE NOT WHATS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT ITS THE ETHICS OF THE ACT WE AS HUNTERS HAVE A RESPONSABILTY TO OUR SELVES TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY SORRY BUT THATS JUST THE WAY I SEE IT AND YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I THAT THE MEAT IS THE LEAST PRIORITY ON MOST HUNTERS MINDS SURLEY YOU DONT DISAGREE WITH THAT YOU HAVE A NICE DAY

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How do you define FAIR CHASE HUNTING?

It is far more ethical that an animal in a preserve be dispatched without knowing it's fate, vs. capturing, and trucking to a slaughter house............ Our traditional way of obtaining meat for our table is far more unethical than any hunt within a preserve........Have you ever worked in a slaughter house, I have. I've seen the terified look in the eyes of animals that are about to meet there certain fate...ETHICS, think again!.... Any time the anties convince a true hunter that what we do is wrong, they WIN and that's just what they want, division between hunters! The truth be it, they want to stop any and all forms of hunting, period!!!!

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How do you define FAIR CHASE HUNTING?

Thats just it this is not hunting its killing
there trapped. cant escape dont get me wrong
Iam not on here just to argue but just cant see the sport in the thing

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I thought about the arguments for and against hunting on preserves. Actually, in my studies in anthropology and ancient human societies - preserve hunting in many ways is similar to how game was once hunted. Sport hunting is relatively recent for the mass public. Kings and royalty used to hunt for "sport" in ways that we would condemn. Ancient tribes and clans would use natural features to funnel game into killing zones. Pygmies of Africa use nets and beaters to surround game and drive game to killing zones. I read an account of merry ole England hunts where horses and dogs were used to drive deer to posted archers. Often fences and nets were set up to provide some form of barrier to increase the odds of a kill. Those who choose to hunt on preserves are probably participating in a form of hunting that is far older than the modern "sport" hunting. Of course, sport hunting is in the eye of the beholder. In Germany, boar are shot at night from stands. That is illegal in the US. In Finland, dogs and beaters drive moose to stands where hunters wait with rifles. We prefer to call them. In parts of the US bait is used to attract bears but considered illegal in other parts. What is "sporting"?

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How do you define FAIR CHASE HUNTING?

That is a good point, Dpastordan. There has been quite a bit of discussion around in the past about what defines "fair chase" and "sporting". The response depends on where you live, the type of hunting you grew up doing, and what era you live in....

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What about islands? What if you had a ranch in Texas that was bigger than Anticosti Island? Would you still classify Anticosti as fair chase, and the ranch not? For me, I think the deciding factors would be the size of the enclosure, and the tameness of the critters. The property I hunted growing up was a 45 acre piece of land. It was bordered on one side by a river, the other by a road, leaving only 2 directions for "escape" - it always seemed wild enough for me...

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I've hunted exotics on game ranches for the last 12 years and although some have been more challenging than others I've always enjoyed the experience. If you go to a game ranch expecting the same experience as on an elk hunt here in Wyoming you're pretty niave.
Part of the fun of hunting exotics is seeing a lot of different kinds of animals whether you kill one or not. The majority of my hunts have been on bowhunting only ranches which are unguided and you do your own cooking. Bowhunting is more challenging because you must get CLOSE. Even though you can see the animal this doesn't mean you can kill him when you hunt with a bow. One thing I've noticed about the discussion of hunting exotics is that a lot of those who criticize haven't even done it!
I hunt WT's, elk and antelope with my bow and regularly harvest animals with it. Killing a blackbuck, aoudad or mouflon is an equally challenging task when done by bow!

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How do you define FAIR CHASE HUNTING?

I agree with WyoHunter. It seems that if you are going to really complain about what is fair chase or not, then get the heck out there with a knife or spear and do it that way. With the advances in technology, even traditional archery is an advantage if you really want to get down to it. Usually the people that do the complaining haven't ever tried it and the antis probably wouldn't love anything more than to see us out there chasing them with a knife. What do they know???? As far as the battle with antis and this, the fight has to be delivered equally throught us hunters. Free chase and Free range are different. I define Free chase pretty much the same way the author of this thread does. I'd also like to add that with what WyoHunter says is true and should be an addition to that Because it does make a bit of difference. Even though as a guide and outfitter myself for Double Arrow Bow Hunting and previous guide experiences have taught me that its not uncommon as most would think for a rifle hunter to miss a close shot. You would be suprised how many animals guides have to put down for their clients because they can't shoot worth a flip! :smile:

What people that don't realize about hunting operations and high fence is that when you hunt in a high fence, it doesn't necessarily mean your leaving with an animal down. Animals always do what they do best and adapt very, very quickly. When you have the brush cover, abundant food sources, control over the hunting pressure, and how your hunters hunt, you have a beginning of a successful operation. All of our hunts are bow only and we regulate how the hunters can hunt and how many can hunt. Its for everyones safety and the purity of the sport to make it fair chase.

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i dont agree with any fenced hunting at all..fenced means that FENCED!Free and wild fair chase is hunting,the other is either game collecting or shooting..simple

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Free Range? Free Chase?

I guess I am probably considered old-fashoned when it comes to hunting.

When I hunt, I consider myself part of the natural cycle of things much the way of say a cougar or bobcat. I know what I am looking for but I dont know where it is at. So I have to "hunt" for it. I may travel miles a day and still not find what I am looking for so I will use what I learned that day for another day.

The animals I hunt have millions of acres at their disposal. If I jump a herd of elk they may (and can) travel 10 miles or more into the thickest, highest hideout they can find and it may take me a few days to find them if I find them at all. If I do manage to harvest an animal, it is a true trophy. I matched wits with him on an unrestricted, one-on-one basis. If the animal manages to elude me, it was because their were no "unnatural barriers" to restrict his movement. This is HUNTING in it's purest form.

If there is a 20' fence, the balance tips my way. Without the fence, you could say the odds are 50/50 but my experience says the animal has the edge. Even with the use of a guide, the odds are more in my favor than without using a guide.

One of my other favorite past times is watching the Outdoor Channel. I get a kick out of what some call hunting. A person rides a 4-wheeler within 100 yards of a house on stilts. Walks the whole 100 yards (phew), climbs in this house, sits in a chair and chats with his buddy until a deer appears in the pre-planted field (with game feeders) in front of them. Some wear full camo while in their house and even pull up their camo face masks so the animal can't see them peering through the window! Now, this particular field they are hunting has been prescouted by the owners weeks in advance so the hunter does not even have to be concerned with game movements or migrations (they can only migrate to the other fence). How about the natural elements (rain, snow, sleet etc...)? No worry there, they have a roof. Shot placement? No problem if you have a window opening for a solid rest. And if the game refuses to show? Just have your guide throw out some tasty corn nuggets or show you a different, prescouted house on stilts. After the shot? Walk back 100 yard to the 4-wheeler, drive it in the field and load the animal on it, then return it to the ranch house where a nice person is waiting with a knife to skin it out for you.
This is SHOOTING in it's purest form.

Hunting to me is about participating in something I can't predict or control and that is what makes it exciting.

I'll make a deal with you. You come on down to Utah, Idaho or Wyoming with me and I will take you hunting. Now I cant guarantee you will harvest anything or even see anything, but I can guarantee you will be part of nature and totally worn out when it is over.

There is nothing natural about a 20' fence except hunting on the unrestricted side of it.

Why don't more people choose hunting over shooting? Because it is difficult, just like Mother Nature intended it to be.

Happy Huntin

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