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Is hound hunting fair chase? (February Poll)

hunting deer with dogs is one i have a problem with. maily because you can sit in a tree all day and hunt them, or walk around and do it.

not sure if you still can or not, but i will check. i know old habits die hard, so i'm sure there are those that still do (adn not just in the south). i do have a problem with drive hunts. and i've known people to use dogs for that.

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Is hound hunting fair chase? (February Poll)

Yes

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Is hound hunting fair chase? (February Poll)

In my opinion hound hunting for lions should be considered fair chase,these cats are nearly impossible to control without the use of hounds,and that is vital to the stability of deer herds.Another species I would include would be pigs,I have no experience hunting them but as far as I know they are also very hard to hunt in thick undercover without them.I see nothing sporting about hunting bears with dogs(or over bait for that matter),and I cant understand even wanting to use dogs to hunt deer,seems like it would be a disadvantage to have baying hounds on a deer hunt,you would never get near them around here.

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Is hound hunting fair chase? (February Poll)
NONYA wrote:
and I cant understand even wanting to use dogs to hunt deer,seems like it would be a disadvantage to have baying hounds on a deer hunt,you would never get near them around here.

Take a trip to Florida, South Alabama, South Georgia and take a look around at the dense cover we have to hunt and you'll quickly understand why. Big smile

Even though I dont hunt infront of hounds anymore It is certainly "Fair chase" and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't ever hunted infront of hounds for deer. You still have to know deer behavior and your hunting area as the deer just dont run around wildly, they act just as if there are no hounds chasing them except for the fact that hey are up and moving when they would otherwise be bedded down in some Titi swamp.

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Is hound hunting fair chase? (February Poll)

Good point, JTapia. Some of the land I was hunting on in Alabama was heavy timber, and hunting like I did out West was impossible. It was like flushing grouse -- I've had deer explode out of the brush and run across the trail ten yards in front of me. To me it was more like bird hunting than grouse hunting, which would explain the dogs.

As I've moved around the country, I've learned that what a lot of people consider to be ethical issues are more matters of situational necessity.

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We have a very similar thick forest situation in Washington state.
On the east side of the mountain range we have high arid desert. On the west side of the mountain range. Humid thick forests that, in areas, are almost impossible to get through. Three leaps and bounds of a deer, bear, elk, cougar and they disappear into the trees and undergrowth so thick that it has left me standing there asking myself. "How in the f--- did he get through there?"
It's quite the challenge to pull a game animal out of these thick growths without some sort of well organized plan. Were talking shots at thirty yards or less, sometimes measured in feet, or you don't get one.

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Yeah...not to mention tracking and finding one in that stuff. There's been plenty of times I wished I had a dog's sense of smell.

Aside from the times when you think "How did he get through there" there's the moments when you start to think "What am I doing here?" I don't know which is worse -- beaver dams and alders or those stinkin' berry bushes that grab you as you're trying to get through discretely. Evil!

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Thorny blackberry vines and some kind of grass that grabs hold of you're clothing. Either way way you're going to need a good sharp heavy bladed knife to free yourself. Been there, done that.
It's a dogs life.
Last fall my partner and I spotted, what may have been, the largest black bear I have ever seen just a truckin down this slope about 500yds away. By the time we could get close enough. He had hidden himself in a 100 sq yd patch of thick under brush and trees. We walked the perimeter of this patch three times. The only way we could have gone in after him would have been on hand and knee. We both deside it would be best to go away and hunt another day. A hound or two would have been very handy. Could have been a nice rug and some delicious bear meat chilly.

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Is hound hunting fair chase? (February Poll)

Guys if huntin hounds aint a fair chase i'll quit huntin.. I was raised up huntin hounds And Beagles.. I lived in indiana for 12 or 13yrs and Ran Coon With English redticks, Blueticks, & Walkers.. Now i live in Arizona and have lived here for goin on 3 yrs.. And Since I've Moved here i've ran hounds.. rather its for bear mountain lion bobcat coon Rabbit whatever.. Except for deer elk and Javalina and Coyotes.. Brick Wall,)

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Is hound hunting fair chase? (February Poll)

Anyone who thinks it ain't fair chase should try to follow a pack of hounds on a day old track in the selway. if you think your tough try to follow me and the dogs, it will change your mind in minutes.

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