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honey burn, how to?

Saw how to do this somewhere last fall and can't find it now. If memory serves me you put lit (self-starting) charcoal brickets in a two lb. coffee can with holes punched around the bottom or sides. Then place a one lb. coffee can containing some (can't remember how much) quantity of honey inside the larger can. Then hang the cans up where the wind will do you some good. The smoke and the smell of burnt honey is supposed to do good things for the bear population in your area of the woods.

Is anyone familiar with the details of this method or something simular?

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I haven't heard of this method, but it definitely sounds interesting. Maybe somebody else will know something about burning honey.

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I have done this as a last resort to get blackie in if all else failes.
But we use Sturno to do it.

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What I did last year was similar. I burned the honey in a tin can on the BBQ and held my hunting clothes in the path of the smoke. I decided to discontinue the practice this year because I'm not sure if it would be considered "baiting", and that's illegal in CA.
BTW, I felt like bait and jumped out of my skin at ever sound. Probably why I was unsucessful.

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I also am in a no bait state. Scents are ok though. I'm sure I wrote down how to do this the last time I ran across it I just can't find it!

Maineguide, could you detail your technique?

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Anyone know is scents like this are legal in CA?

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Blastmaster,

On page 49 of the 2002-2003 Mammal Hunting Regs Booklet you will find the following text:

Quote:


(e) Bait: No feed, bait or other materials capable of attracting a bear shall be placed or used for the purpose of taking or pursuing a bear. No bear shall be taken over such bait. No person may take a bear within a 400-yard radius of a garbage dump or bait.

While scents are not explictly mentioned it could be considered "other materials capable of attracting a bear"... although I guess a predator call could fall in that vague category as well. If in doubt better call the Fish and Game and see. The law is vague, with regard to anything non-food.

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Thanks, I'll write DFG for clarification. Anyway, if they respond in writing I'll have something to show if questioned.

Can't wait-10/12/02 tic...tic...tic...

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OK, I got a response from DFG today. Here is my question to them and thier response:

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>>>
I know we can't bait in CA, but can we use scents to attract black
bears? Example:
1. The scent of food, let's say vanila extract, applyed to the ground
or foliage
2. The scent of food applyed to a cotton ball hung in a tree
3. The scent of food applyed to one's self
4. Non-attractive synthetic and natural coverscents like those sold in
sporting goods stores

Thank You, and I appreciate your time.

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Hi,

Here's what the section says:

(d) No open season for bear in the balance of the state not
included in subsection (a) above.

365 (e) Bait: No feed, bait or other materials capable of attracting
a bear shall be placed or used for the purpose of taking or pursuing
a bear. No bear shall be taken over such bait. No person may take a
bear within a 400-yard radius of a garbage dump or bait.

So, given this rather strict definition I would say that the only legal
scent you could use would be the "cover scent" because it is not an
attractant.

Lieutenant Liz
DFG/CalTIP

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Hey Blastmaster,

Thanks for posting this info, that is pretty definitive. Sounds like even attractive scents are illegal in CA. Even if they are applied to your body!

Well, Scott, you probably ought to check in your state as well (if your not in CA). Unfortunately the fines for baiting can be stiff....

By the way, I removed the last name and phone number of the DFG's response. Hope you don't mind, but I doubt Liz would have given out her work phone number if she knew it was going to be posted on a public hunting board. Wink No big deal...

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I'm in North Carolina. I quote the 2002-3 Regulations Digest, "It is unlawful: To take a bear with the use or aid of salt or bait." I will check with the wildlife resources folks in Raleigh and try to get something in writing. An informal inquiry of the local game warden at a nearby outdoors store said scents were ok as long there was no edible food component included in the scent, like actual apples or bacon to accompany the smell. There were some commercial scent products on display in the store that I refered to when I asked the question. I will describe the honey burn as best I remember it when I place the inquiry.

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