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Honest answers for a question......

I am asking you all a question and would like honest answers from you.
What is your major concern while out hunting? Do you as hunters look out for the welfare of a deer herd in general or a easy hunt? I will be printing this out to submit the answers to F&G. Alot of the archery hunters in my area here are trying to get info and feedback from all hunters to go to F&G about them opening up a Muzzleloader hunt into a unit that has not been anything but a archery unit for who knows how long. The herd here is not as big as F&G think and I am asking all on here for feedback on this. I spend alot of time out and about and have been from one end of the unit to the other. i do not see the numbers that have been told to me by some of the F&G officers here. They have counted the numbers in the spring when coming off the wintering range from what I have been told. So to justify opening a area for a hunt the deer do not know what the weapons will do, Is this fair to the game? They will stand out and look at you if driving by and they usually run out to about a 100 yds and stop and will look at you. Our herd will be slaughtered. Every archery hunter i have talked to wants to stop this hunt.
So again I ask a couple questions that are basically the same so would like your opinions on it.
Do you consider a ML hunt a fair chase scenario situation if the deer have never been hunted with anything other than archery?
I am not looking for a debate but just opinions on what I have stated as I said this will be printed out and submitted to Id F&G with other info I and others have collected.

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Re: Honest answers for a question......
supersider34 wrote:
What is your major concern while out hunting?

Tagging out.

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Do you as hunters look out for the welfare of a deer herd in general or a easy hunt?

I don't think these are mutually exclusive.

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Do you consider a ML hunt a fair chase scenario situation if the deer have never been hunted with anything other than archery?

I don't see a fair chase issue.

If there is question that the herd can't handle the hunt, it seems that the hunt should be limited in some form (time, amount harvested, number of tags awarded, etc), setting an upper limit on the harvest count. Letting hunters (ml, archery, or spear throwers) run amuck in a sparse prey population is never a great idea.....

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I agree with Bitmasher. The type of weapon really doesn't matter. It's the amount of animals harvested that matters. The only real difference in type of weapon would be, for example, allowing more archery hunters for a longer time period due to the lower average success rate.

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I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but I have to agree with the others. If they don't issue an unlimited number of ML licenses then there shouldn't be a problem with slaughtering the herd. And deer are not stupid animals. By the second day of the season they'll know to get out a little farther than 100 yards from hunters.

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They are wanting to make it a unlimited tag hunt. you put in you draw.

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My honest answer is this. I try throughout the year to get in involved in deer management any way I can. But once the tag is in my hand and I'm out in the field I'm much more concerned for the most part about tagging out ethically. I don't think to myself, "well this area could use some more 3 year old bucks so I'll let that one walk and wait for 4 years or older buck." I hope that answers your question.

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I agree generally with the above ... a few blasts and clouds of smoke and the deer will figure it out. For a very brief period of time the ML hunters will have an element of surprise and advantage over the archery hunters. A few (deer) will die in the process. I have been generally impressed with IFG and the amount of thought they put into their hunt seasons and regulations.

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Is it a matter of deer being "slaughtered", or deer becoming skittish and more difficult for archers to tag?

In my experience, deer are remarkably resilient. They'll figure out fairly quickly when ML season opens and it'll be business as usual during archery season in terms of behavior. I don't buy the concept of muzzleloaders slaughtering deer herds, because deer by nature are skittish and defensive. You've seen them easy going so far because they don't perceive a threat. Once they do, they'll be more defensive. Just because you don't see them milling about doesn't mean they're not there. It just means they're more suspicious of people and being more careful.

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I continue to contemplate this forum string ... I have not always thought this way, nor can what I will say be applied to every hunter and every state game department, but ... instead of considering myself an expert of game management, with knowledge over and above the game department, I have come to realize that there is some intelligence within the IFG. I have intelligence par and above my peers in other arenas, but I don't spend all my waking hours studying game management.

That being said! ... and though I may not agree with all the rules, seasons, and regs ... if I dutifully and cheerfully follow them ... then I JOYFULLY go about filling all or as many as my tags as possible - AND - do so with the knowledge that my harvesting of game IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE GAME POPULATION.

jrf, S.H.

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