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"Home Defence" Shotgun, Lets see them!

Close quarters combat, riot, home defence..what ever you call them i think it would be cool to see, if any, what other members have or modifications you've done to make a cool shotgun.

The shortest barrelled shotgun i have is a norinco (model 37 clone) 12gaX3" pump with ghost ring sight and a 14" cyl bore barrel. Tons of fun Thumbs up , talk about muzzel blast Big smile

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my home defense shotgun looks just like a 1911 colt .45 acp lol Yes I like somthing a little smaller for home defense,if i was gonna buy a sg for defense probably one of those semiauto street sweepers with a 10 round mag! Thumbs up

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LOL..the 45 acp would be a little easier on the drywall..

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Ok, this is very interesting. Couple questions:

1.) In Canada are chinesse arms imports still allowed? I.E. the norinco...

2.) Are short barrelled long guns grouped in a different class than those with barrels longer than 16"? Background: In the states a long gun with barrel shorter than 16" is considered an NFA firearm (Class 3) and is subject to far greater restrictions.

3.) When you say "Model 37 clone", did you mean "Model 97"? A reference to the Winchester model of 1897 (lever and pump varities) of which those deployed in war were sometimes called "trench guns".

At various times I've owned Benelli M2 Tacticals and Nova Pump Tacticals:

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/defense.tpl

You ought to put a pistol grip on that Norinco! Thumbs up

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Now we're getting into the wonderful screwed up, hypocritical and paradoxical world of Canadian Gun laws. Brick Wall,)

1) Yes Chinese imports are allowed in Canada, There was never a stoppage. Although for some reason there seems to be a stoppage on Chinese ammo being imported into Canada right now..

2) We have 3 basic types of firearms classifications Non- Restricted, Restricted and prohibited. Then it gets into rifle, shotgun and pistol. This is a HUGE topic. (If you want to know more about it let me know and i'll get into it) But i'll only stick with explaining this Norinco for now. This Norinco is Non-restricted, i can take it any where no permits required. If i plug it at 3 rounds i can take it hunting..(lol..go figure eh?) The 14" barrel was equipped from the manufacturer. There is a clause in the firearms act that allows for this barrel length on a shotgun if originally installed by the factory. Normally the min barrel length is 18.5 " (470mm). below that is restricted and under 18" (457mm) is prohibited. Yes it's true 1/2" difference can change the class. If i were to take the same shotgun with a 20" barrel and cut it down to 14". I would now have a prohibited firearm. But if it comes from the factory like that it's ok. The overall length of this Norinco is greater then 26" (660 mm) Below 26" the shotgun is considered a prohib. So even though the barrel is below sized, the overall length is correct and it's factory so it's ok.

If i were to put a pistol grip i would go below 660mm and create a prohib shotgun.

3) This Norinco is a model YL-12-1J5. It's a clone of an Ithaca Model 37.

I wish i had money for a Benelli or other cool shotguns like that Cry

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How about a Intra Tec 9mm with a 30 round mag. Actually its my brothers he loaned it to me so he could carry my hi-point .380

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Interesting, in some ways Canadian law seems to be a bit more liberal.

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1) Yes Chinese imports are allowed in Canada.

Not in the states since 1989 for "non-sporting" firearms, with the exception of C&R's (Curios and Relics). The Bush administration specifically banned Norincos in 2003.

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2) We have 3 basic types of firearms classifications Non- Restricted, Restricted and prohibited.

The factory 14" barrel would make it an NFA firearm (aka a class III weapon) in the states. That means paying a luxury tax and a more extensive background checks. Sawing of a shotgun to less than 16" in barrel length is federal offense.... This also applies to rifles.

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3) This Norinco is a model YL-12-1J5. It's a clone of an Ithaca Model 37.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

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I wish i had money for a Benelli or other cool shotguns like that

Well at least you have the choice between your gun and a benelli. I'd don't have the luxury.... ;-)

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Bit.

That shotgun would still be a "restricted" firearm by definition.

A restricted shotgun is one that follows the rule:

"a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited"- Canadian Firearm Center

As such, you would need a special license to own that firearm. There was a lot a "grandfathering" of weapons during the reg. period.

These norincos are on the prohib. list: (from CFC website)
Norinco 84S;
Norinco 84S AK;
Norinco 56;
Norinco 56-1;
Norinco 56-2;
Norinco 56-3;
Norinco 56-4;

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Sorry for the delay in responding i've been away from the computer for a bit. The Shotgun is non- restricted. Read through the firearms act and you will find the loop hole clause for 14" factory installed shotgun barrels. It's in there...

Any Ak type firearm of derivative of is a prohibited firearm as per the orders in council. Norinco type 56 firearms (sks) are non restricted. Although i believe they are still mentioned in the orders in council as a prohibited firearm ( this is an error). The original ruling was changed many years ago. If i remember correctly, the reason why they changed the ruling on the SKS is because lots of inuit and natives were using them to hunt with. This ruling would have effected a lot of Canada's northern native communities. You can't hunt with a prohibited firearm. So the council rescinded that ruling.

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