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Has anyone else heard of a group of people that are trying to raise enough cash to release feral hogs in Pa?
It seems they are fed up with the lack of deer and are planning to take matters into their own hands and release hogs at different partsa of the state so they can be hunted after a good population is grown.
I was approached last weekend by someone asking for a donation of 1 of my barns to hold some hogs in until after hunting season.

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That idea is not only stupid but illegal as well!!! Feral hogs do great damage to ground nesting wildlife and damage the enviroment with their rooting up the soil. Northern states DO NOT want feral hog to establish themselves!!

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Easy there Prof,don't bust a vessle. I didn't say I agreeded with the release of hogs in Pa.
Although I am able to understand the hunter's frustrations there. The GC fed them a line about reducing deer numbers that they swallowed hook line and sinker. Now after 7 years of few results in deer management it is hard to find a deer in some areas of the state.
Hunters want to see game,they've lost faith in the GC. And I fear these drastic measures are just the begining of what this group of frustrated sportsmen will do. I doubt there will be a PGC in 5 years 10 at the most. SM

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I see deer everytime I get out....I don't mind not see'ing 100 doe and 1 buck like I did 10 years ago, now I'll see 3 doe and 3 buck....I don't mind it at all. Big smile

As far as the hogs go that is definitely a big no, no and I don't thing the PGC would appreciate it too much.

I think the PGC has done a great job! The turkey populations are outstanding, the elk herd is growing, you can hunt coyote anywhere, bobcats have a season and the bear population is awesome! I love hunting PA Big smile

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Strutnrut: I'm neither anti or pro GC but if pushed into a corner I'd be more pro than anti. You should know that if not for the RMEF the elk herd in Pa was well on it's way to being gone. The NWTF is to commended for trap n transfer of wild birds state wide at a time when the GC was content to raise semi domesticated turkeys (ala today's pheasant population). Bear kills for seasons back in the 60s and 70s were down to a few hundred statewide per year during a week long season until the season was closed for 5 years straight, followed by a permit system. "yotes expanded on their own despite the GC claiming there weren't any in Pa (sound familar to today's cougar sightings?) bobcatas were totally illegal to kill until a permit system was established........an even after all of that the GC still tries to manage WMUs that are too large for deer.
Case 'n point....if a wealthy landowner posts his property of a few hundred acres and allows no hunting how does inflated anterless permits on the other side of the WMU help the reduction effort to the property owners whom suffer crop loss next to the posted land?

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Case 'n point....if a wealthy landowner posts his property of a few hundred acres and allows no hunting how does inflated anterless permits on the other side of the WMU help the reduction effort to the property owners whom suffer crop loss next to the posted land?[/quote wrote:

This is a good point.

I'm not here to argue with you....I started hunting when I was 19, so I only been hunting 8 years, so I haven't seen tons of big changes over time....I have noticed the deer population drop, but I do good every year and a majority of my hunting is done on public land. I am more of a trophy hunter than anything and I see more trophies now than I ever have. I do lots of scouting and typically when I hunt...I hunt well off the beaten path...I'm young and in shape and I take full advantage of that. I spend lots of time on the large public game lands and state parks that house trophy game a very good distance from the good ole beaten path that most hunters stick too. I see lots of guys complain about not seeing deer and they expect a deer to run past them walking on the same path a hundred other hunters are walking on too. I have no complaints....I love PA and I love to hunt PA and I typically do great every year. I can understand for the large groups of individuals who don't get to spend as much time in the woods as I do and just want to see some deer, but I hunt much differently than that, so its not a problem for me. All those organizations may of been directly responsible for re-introduction of elk or turkey etc but the PGC also had a hand in that too. I don't think the PGC is perfect but I have no complaints on the deer herd.

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Strutnrut; My daily journal reads that I spent 91 days afield last year.Whether I was hunting,trapping or scouting. I own 700acres and trust me I know every bush,rock,tree on it. That comes from a guy whom is 61 and runs in several 5-15 K races each summer....so I'm not some old geyser whom sits along side a trail waiting for a deer to come by 150 yds from my truck!
*** you said it yourself ...you're too young to know what Pa was and could still be today with proper management. A trophy hunter in just 8 yrs, you're to be comended.But every deer I've ever killed was a trophy to me...be it a 6 mth old fawn or the 165" buck I killed with my bow 2 yrs ago. I also killed several bucks in the 140-155" range well before Gary Alt was a biologist right here in Pa. Pa doesn't need low deer numbers to produce large/older bucks...that's a myth created by the QDM sorts...they need age and feed. ie., farm country bucks with good food and little hunting pressure were big bucks back when I started to hunt too.

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SingleMalt: I guess in a way I have nothing to complain about because I wasn't around to see the changes...but when I killed my first buck on the first day I ever hunted which was the opening day of rifle in 1998 I was hooked ever since....its a passion to me not just a hobby. Maybe if I seen what it was like 20 years ago then I would feel different but I didn't so I'm happy with what I got now and have no complaints for the PGC and have done real well for the eight years I been hunting and I trust that all the Wildlife Biologists will ensure the future of hunting in PA.

I complain more about the real estate investors who buy every inch of land they can and turn it into a concrete jungle.....thats sad! In the eight years I been hunting I've had two favorite spots get leveled and built up. Now, I stick to primarily public land.

91 days in the field.....with that much time I'd imagine you would see plenty of game in the field. 61 and doing 5k's thats great! I commend you on that, I am a certified personal trainer through NASM and I've trained people a quarter of your age that couldn't even run a half mile! lol. I don't train people anymore but I don't recall any that were that in shape at that age. Good deal!! Thumbs up

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Hunted Pa for the 8 or so years that I lived there and one thing I did notice while I was there was a definate drop in the population but it was a GOOD healthy drop. When they initiated that 3 or better and 4 or better law It was allowing bucks to grow. How many record book bucks were taken out of Pa over the last 30 years? Very few is the answer. Now take a look at Pope and Young and Boon and Crocket... You will see a few more entries than you have in years past. Like Strut I NEVER had a problem seeing deer. I hunted my own 220 acres and several other properties In south central and north eastern Pa. Had no problems smacking deer at all. Kept mine and a few other freezers filled nicely with Doe. I dont trophy hunt persay, but I will not pass up a good 150 class buck thats 5 years old or better and before I moved sad I was seeing a lot more larger bucks being taken. The last year I hunted there I ran into a fella at the processor I took my meat for them to make bologna out of that had one MIGHTY 12 point. Went easily 165"'s if not more and was a good 6 year old buck. Was taken close to my property in Grantville. Proof positive that that law works. Pa in the past , yes you could walk out and smack a deer before thinking about it, and that was really not a good thing. People were killing all the lil 2 1/2 year old bucks and not allowing good genetics to prevail or grow. PGC finaly got a monicum of common sense and initiated that law.

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There is a huge differnce in antler restriction an herd reduction! I know of few hunters whom are against antler restrictions. I know many whom oppose runnig doe and buck seasons together with inflated anterless tags year after year.
Public land hunting can't be compared to hunting on private property anywhere in the state.

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herd reduction also has to do with human-deer conflict and that is a variable considered by the PGC when they make their policies...look at how many deer are still hit by vehicles in PA......I've counted near 20 bucks in the past three weeks alone, I couldn't even begin to tell you how many doe I've seen. There are definitely lots of deer out there, even if the herd is much thinner. Basically, if your not seeing deer then your doing something wrong, I hunt all over the state and I see deer "most" of the time I'm out. I know others who are usually successful at bagging a buck and at least one doe every year. So it is what it is. Its hunting not killing. I wish the best of luck to all! Now I gotta run, I'm finishing up archery season over North of Wilkes Barre where I missed a 150-160 class buck last year and he is still there along with some other smaller bucks which I would also happily take. We got a little snow on the ground, so maybe I'll get a glimpse of him tonight Big smile

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