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Will Obama take away your guns? If your guns are single shot 'sporting use' long guns that answer is probably no. Everything else (handguns, semis, 'sniper' rifles, assault anything (pistol, rifle)) is up for grabs.

bitmasher, I don't believe that to be true. At all. All we need to do is wait as I am sure he is likely to win the Presidency. It's the politics of fear scaring folks with hot button issues helping to make them forgot it now costs $80.00 to fill your hunting truck up go hunting and they can't afford health care as they get older and health problems related to aging appear. But hey, in some peoples worlds as long as they have their AK-47 and 50 cal sniper rifle those other little pesky things don't bother em.

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Go ahead...rest easy because they're only going after AK-47s and .50 cals. After all, the guns they're grabbing aren't yours, right? While you sleep soundly under your blanket of denial, consider the following quote from Martin Niemoeller posted at the New England Holocaust Memorial:

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

And just so you aren't confused, I'm not equating them to Hitler or gun control to the Holocaust. I'm talking about people allowing abuses to continue because it isn't happening to them.

As far as the politics of fear, I'm not afraid of them -- I'm outraged by them. This is America -- a nation devoted to the idea that the individual reigns supreme and that the citizenry should be trusted with individual liberty. What they're doing is a disgrace to the ideals this nation was founded upon.

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SoCo - we have a Democrat controlled Congress so if we have high gas prices, high medical costs, etc. then the Democrats share much of the blame. The Democrat controlled Congress appropriates the funding for the war in Iraq. Without their consent, the President could not wage war in Iraq.

Now, I will say our efforts in Iraq are misguided and counterproductive. I would not have in Iraq trying to instill democracy. Bomb the terrorists in Iraq, but we have no business trying to impose democracy on a country that doesn't want it or is not willing to fight for it. We need to stay mobile to address terrorism in other parts of the world and not be mired down in Iraq.

Do I believe that under Obama our individual rights will be threatened - yes. Is that the only reason I won't vote for him - no.

I believe he is inexperienced and lacking of substance. I do believe you can judge a person by those with whom he associates. The Reverend Wright hates America - just listen to his speeches. Mrs. Obama hates America - “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” Mrs.Obama.

I am proud of our Country. I am proud of our freedoms. Unfortunately, Michelle Obama is not or at least hasn't been until her husband started his campaign for President.

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expatriate wrote:
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
.

Wow, talk about going for the gusto (in regard to the fear factor). Equating some Americans who for whatever reason have reason to want some gun control issues with the Nazi's!!! I don't agree with extreme views on either side, but I do realize different people from different walks of life have differing views. That's natural it's always going to be that way. You will never have 20 different people who agree on everything 100% much less a whole nation.

You know some folks who weren't raised like we have been with firearms and hunting an natural part of life might get alarmed when you have school shooting such as the Virginia Tech massacre. They may think it's a good idea to keep mentally ill people from easily getting access to high capacity firearms which can then be used to carry out such a tragic act.

I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with having some safe guards in place to prevent this. I also think you there have to be safeguards in place to keep extremists that would want to take away all shooting rights away as well. It's a balancing act and not getting to carried away in either direction.

I won't get behind an administration like the current one who in my view has harmed this great country for their benefit just because they tell me 'don't worry pal you can keep your guns forever,' or a candidate who promises more of the same.

As said before I don't believe for one second the belief you guys have of the loss of our gun rights with a Democrat in office and I believe our country will be far better off then if the Repubs continue there reign. I will tell you one Repub I do like though is Chuck Hagel.

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SoCo - we have a Democrat controlled Congress so if we have high gas prices, high medical costs, etc. then the Democrats share much of the blame. The Democrat controlled Congress appropriates the funding for the war in Iraq. Without their consent, the President could not wage war in Iraq.

Now, I will say our efforts in Iraq are misguided and counterproductive. I would not have in Iraq trying to instill democracy. Bomb the terrorists in Iraq, but we have no business trying to impose democracy on a country that doesn't want it or is not willing to fight for it. We need to stay mobile to address terrorism in other parts of the world and not be mired down in Iraq.

Do I believe that under Obama our individual rights will be threatened - yes. Is that the only reason I won't vote for him - no.

I believe he is inexperienced and lacking of substance. I do believe you can judge a person by those with whom he associates. The Reverend Wright hates America - just listen to his speeches. Mrs. Obama hates America - “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” Mrs.Obama.

I am proud of our Country. I am proud of our freedoms. Unfortunately, Michelle Obama is not or at least hasn't been until her husband started his campaign for President.

Well, I do agree the Dems have been pretty spineless for the past three years, but until then it was a Repub controlled Congress who wrote Bush blank check after blank check and authorized everything he requested. I understand the Rev. Wright thing is bothersome to you and you have a right to feel that way, but being a Minority (Hispanic, Latino, whatever classification fits) and feeling the sting of racism at times in my life from whites, I understand where his anger comes from. Especially since he lived through those turbulent times when it was far more prevalent. Do I agree with him? Hell no, but again I see where his anger comes from. I think it's a non realistic view to only look at our country like a knight in shining armor. There are great things about our country and there are not so great things at different times in our history each one (good/bad) has seen more light.

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CVC, if you can stomach it (it's Rolling Stone) read this article on the Republican controlled congress during the Bush years. If you do read it tell me what you think of their tactics. I personally can't see how any decent person could support people like these.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12055360/cover_story_time_to_...

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I read the article and would have thought it had a bit of a liberal bias had it been in any other publication than Rolling Stone magazine Big smile

You won't see me defending too many Republican politicians. The D's have their Ted Kennedy and Barny Frank and the R's have Foley and Craig and so on.

It is because of politicians on both sides that I rank protecting the second amendment so high. Without our ability to defend ourselves against criminals, foreign enemies and our government, we will become victims and servants.

I don't vote party line - I voted against Congressman Ryan last election, not for Congresswoman Boyda, but this next election, I most likely will vote for Boyda. She's done a good job and responded positively to me when I urged her to sign onto the amicus brief supporting the 2nd amendment.

The politicans that I support tend to be unelectable - Ron Paul, Alan Sharp and that type of intellectual, libertarian, constitutionalist politician. They don't promise you the world, but tell you like it is and what we need to do to remain free and strong and the general population tends to not like that rhetoric.

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I hear you man! It would be nice to have some good moderate people who can take all facets of a situation and hammer out the best possible solution. Unfortunately we haven't seen that in a long, long, time. The last thing I will say is I hope there are more positive things in our future because recent times have been very bleak from where I'm standing.

Again, to you I apologize for any negativity and wish you well as well as good hunting and shooting!

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SoCoHntr - no problem. If we all thought exactly alike there would be no need for an election.

No matter what, the fall is going to be interesting leading up to November.

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Wow, SoCo...that's amazing. I specifically said that I was not comparing anyone to Nazis or the Holocaust, but was talking about people being willing to sacrifice others if it doesn't affect them personally. I was worried that you might not be able to grasp the metaphor, so I even explained what it meant. And yet you STILL got it wrong and thought it was about Nazis.

If you can't grasp something so simple, even when it's explained to you in clear and simple terms, then I don't have a ghost of a chance explaining things like the power of congressional committees, long-term effects of judicial appointments, administrative processes in bureaucracy, executive discretion, or the role of precededent in our legal system.

The Constitution is our birthright, and individual liberty the crown jewel held dear by the founding fathers. It saddens me to see Americans so willing to make Esau's choice and sell their birthright for a mess of pottage. The seeds of tyranny are sown on the edges of society, by marginalizing beliefs or activities and legislating their elimination. If you allow them to grow, they'll be in your backyard before you know it.

You may not care, but I do. I took an oath to defend the Constitution, and that's what I'm going to do in November.

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