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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

Here it is guys and it's troubling to say the least (at least for the one or two other Obama supporters on here).

ANDY BOROWITZ

In a potentially ominous sign for the presumptive Democratic nominee, a new poll shows Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) trailing far behind G.O.P. standard bearer Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) among voters who identify themselves as racists.

Pundits and pollsters alike have wondered about the role racists might play in the 2008 presidential contest, but the new survey released today was the first concrete attempt to take the pulse of this key voting bloc.

The poll, conducted by Duh Magazine, suggests that Mr. Obama faces an uphill battle in his effort to win the votes of dyed-in-the-wool bigots.

"We wanted to know, why isn't Barack Obama closing the deal among racists?" said Charles Plugh, editor-in-chief of Duh. "The answer seems to be, because he's black."

In a head-to-head match-up, likely bigots chose Sen. McCain over Sen. Obama by a margin of one thousand to one, with a majority of racists saying they "strongly disagree" with Sen. Obama's decision not to be white.

Asked under what conditions they would conceivably vote for a black presidential candidate, 95% of racists responded, "Only if he was running against someone from a group I hated even more, such as Arabs."

Duh editor Plugh says the poll indicates that Sen. Obama "has his work cut out for him" if he is going to make up lost ground among racists.

"Sen. Obama made a choice at the beginning of this campaign to run as a black man," Mr. Plugh said. "He could change his position on that, but racists might see that as too little, too late."

Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times, and at his award-winning humor site, BorowitzReport.com. He hosts "Countdown to the Election, with special guests Joy Behar (The View) and Jeffrey Toobin (CNN, bestselling author of "The Nine") at the 92nd Street Y in NYC on October 22 at 8 PM. Student tickets half-price. For tickets go to 92y.org."

Okay, okay, calm down get the blood pressure back down. This for the seriously concrete folks among us was satire and meant to be taken in that vein if the Andy Borowitz is a comedian didn't clue you in.

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

Oh yeah! That was a good one.

Too bad he's 1/2 white. He should only be able to play 1/2 of the race card.

It's just a sad reality that some folks will be voting based on race both ways this year.

After all of our debating and going back and forth on all of the issues we all hold near and dear to us, I'm happy to believe none of us on this site are basing our voting decision based on race either way.

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

Good point. If that's true it's a great thing and for the most part I believe it is.

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

I'm with you on this one Whelland. Americans are a lot less racist than most think.

I used to disagree that Obama was black. His mom and relatives from Kansas mostly brought him up. His background as far as who he used to hang with is white. But then to most he is black because that's what we call people when they are half, and that's what he chooses to call himself. (didn't list race on application to Harvard, didn't want affirmative action)

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

heres another poll

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKN1948672420080820

But, Im sure reuters will be condemed as another right wing propaganda machine

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!
csumerall wrote:
heres another poll

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKN1948672420080820

But, Im sure reuters will be condemed as another right wing propaganda machine

No, it looks like depending on which poll he has either taken the lead or closed the gap. But, keep in mind the polls we are discussing were taken during the week Obama was vacationing in Hawaii and I've heard analysts predict due to this there would be a slump out from that a few weeks. It's early expect fluctuation maybe up until E day. It looks like it's shaping up to be a harder election then predicted and Mccain did a good job of firing up the Evangelicals at the Saddleback shindig. Here's an interesting article on his cross in the sand story from that event:

Did McCain Steal His "Cross in the Dirt" Story at the Saddleback Forum From Solzhenitsyn?

The blogosphere is abuzz right now over the discovery that a POW story told by John McCain (R) at Saturday night’s presidential forum is eerily similar to one told by Alexander Solzhenitsyn in his famous book The Gulag Archipelago which chronicled his time in a Soviet labor camp in the 1950s and 1960s.

Here’s what McCain told Saddleback Church’s Pastor Rick Warren last night -- according to the unofficial transcript released by the church:

It was Christmas Day, we were allowed to stand outside of our cell for a few minutes, and those days we were not allowed to see or communicate with each other although we certainly did. And I was standing outside for a few minutes, outside my cell. He came walking up. He stood there for a minute and with his handle [sic] on the dirt in the courtyard he drew a cross and he stood there and a minute later, he rubbed it out and walked away. For a minute there, there was just two Christians worshiping together. I'll never forget that moment.
Now check out how what Solzhenitsyn wrote in The Gulag Archipelago:

Along with other prisoners, he worked in the fields day after day, in rain and sun, during summer and winter. His life appeared to be nothing more than backbreaking labor and slow starvation. The intense suffering reduced him to a state of despair.

On one particular day, the hopelessness of his situation became too much for him. He saw no reason to continue his struggle, no reason to keep on living. His life made no difference in the world. So he gave up.

Leaving his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel. He had seen it happen to other prisoners.

As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly he looked up and saw a skinny old prisoner squat down beside him. The man said nothing. Instead, he used a stick to trace in the dirt the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.

As Solzhenitsyn stared at the Cross drawn in the dirt his entire perspective changed. He knew he was only one man against the all-powerful Soviet empire. Yet he knew there was something greater than the evil he saw in the prison camp, something greater than the Soviet Union. He knew that hope for all people was represented by that simple Cross. Through the power of the Cross, anything was possible.

Solzhenitsyn slowly rose to his feet, picked up his shovel, and went back to work. Outwardly, nothing had changed. Inside, he had received hope.
Isn't it odd that McCain and Solzhenitsyn would have experienced such nearly identical events during their respective captivities? And note that Solzhenitsyn’s event happened well before McCain’s but wasn’t published until after his release.

But the coincidences get even more troubling.

First, know that McCain is a very big fan of Solzhenitsyn’s and is fond of referencing him.

In McCain's 2007 book Hard Call: Great Decisions and the Extraordinary People Who Made Them McCain devotes an entire chapter to Solzhenitsyn and his experiences as recounted in The Gulag Archipelago.

In June 2005, after Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) found himself apologizing for likened FBI reports of military tactics used at Guantanamo Base to techniques used in Nazi Germany, the Soviet gulag and Pol Pot's Cambodian "killing fields,” it was none other McCain who blasted Durbin publicly, offering this bit of advice during an appearance on Meet the Press:

"Senator Durbin owes not only the Senate an apology -- I don't know if censure would be in order -- but an apology because it does a great disservice to men and women who suffered in the gulag and in Pol Pot's killing fields. Dick Durbin should be required to read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's 'Gulag Archipelago' and I think that he may have a better understanding that there's no comparison whatsoever. And it does a great disservice to the majority of men and women who are serving in Guantanamo who are doing the job that they're told to do and they're doing it in a humane fashion. To tar the American servicemen and women with a brush that applies to the gulag or the killing fields is a great disservice to the men and women in the military who are serving honorably down there."
Also, after Solzhenitsyn passed away a few weeks ago, The New York Sun published an excerpt from McCain’s own book (Hard Call) regarding Solzhenitsyn as an op-ed tribute.

Could these be pure coincidences? I suppose.

But a number of bloggers have pointed out a number of another eyebrow-raising discoveries. Top of that list is the fact that upon his release as a POW, McCain penned a 12,000 word reflection of his experiences for U.S. News & World Report. Yet, as one Daily Kos writer notes "[e]ven though McCain goes into a lot of detail in that story and mentions religion a few times, there is no mention of the cross in the sand story, even though it would have fitted in well with the whole narrative."

The writer also notes that in 1974, McCain spoke at a prayer breakfast with then-Governor Ronald Reagan and tells a stirring story about seeing words about Christ while a POW, but fails to mention the very relevant cross in the sand story.

Even more problematic is that McCain’s own account of that Christmas shows him moving from the prison:

In December of 1969 I was moved from "The Pentagon" [he means "The Plantation" camp] over to "Las Vegas." "Las Vegas" was a small area of Hoala Prison which was built by the French in 1945.
Furthermore, it seems that McCain's own telling of this story has now changed a good deal. Here's what Beliefnet.com’s Steven Waldman wrote:

McCain tells the cross in the sand story in his 1999 memoir, Faith of My Fathers:

"We both stood wordlessly looking at the cross until, after a minute or two, he rubbed it out and walked away. I saw my good Samaritan often after the Christmas when we venerated the cross together."
In his campaign ad in December, he adds mention of "the true light of Christmas":

"We stood wordlessly looking at the cross, remembering the true light of Christmas. I will never forget that no matter where you are, no matter how difficult the circumstances, there will always be someone who will pick you up."
At the Saddleback Civil Forum:

"For a minute there, it was just two Christians worshipping together."
The story has gradually morphed from being about the humanity of the guard to being about the Christian faith of the guard and John McCain.

Finally, be mindful that this isn’t the first time this year that McCain has been called out for playing fast and loose with his POW experience. Recall this effort by McCain to change his POW story last month:

Here's what McCain said on Pittsburgh radio yesterday:
"When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the physical pressures that were on me, I named the starting lineup -- defensive line -- of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron-mates!"
Here's what McCain wrote in his book, Faith of my Fathers:
Pressed for more useful information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line, and said they were members of my squadron.
I did a Lexis/Nexis search about McCain's captivity and all of them showed-up naming the Green Bay Packers.
What is going on here? Did McCain lie to Pastor Rick Warren in a church this weekend about his POW experience in an attempt to kiss-up to Evangelicals who are already very concerned about his bona fides on faith and religion? Could there have been a worse venue and context for such a lie?

But the big question is whether our feckless national media will even bother following-up on this troubling development as they did with by promoting the GOP-pushed meme of exaggerations by Al Gore in 2000 or John Kerry’s Vietnam War experiences in 2004 as the Swift Boat liars peddled?

I suspect American journalism is in such a sorry state these days that they won’t bother devoting equal time and resources to something so potentially explosive in 2008. I hope I'm wrong...

Mark Nickolas is the Managing Editor of Political Base, and this story was from his original post, "Did McCain Steal His "Cross in the Dirt" Story At Last Night's Forum From Solzhenitsyn? "

Update: Turns out that the first instance of McCain being called out for this was in 2005 by the right wingers over at Free Republic...

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

And Im sure while he was on vacation the 4-5 % of people polled completely forgot he existed. And no one from his campaign was working and no ads aired. Come on, you are always accusing the conservatives of living in a pretend world or having blinders on. Why is it so hard to accept, that he is ahead.

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

I use the average of polls. There's no doubt it's tightening, but then Obama has had months of negative adds from first HIllary, then Hillary and McCain, then McCain with lots of money for six weeks. The TV add buys in late July to August were astronomical A WSJ poll this morning had McCain as the negative campaigner by 6 to 1. Leading into the start of the season when people pay attention Obama has just began some softball negatives and as they say it's a target rich environment. Or in hunter talk, ducks-barrel-shooting.

If some adds really begin to get negative in a personal way, as has been happening to Obama for months, watch out for Mr. Temper Tantrum. Imagine what one explosion could do?

The you tube called "seven" has gone viral since this morning, it'll be playing for free on the news, and so far they are grasping at responses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmFd25tRqo&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/... whole thing is about to get fun.

Polster dot com also has the state pols and state races. Intrade still has Obama by 60 to 37 if anyone feels like putting thier money up.

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!
csumerall wrote:
And Im sure while he was on vacation the 4-5 % of people polled completely forgot he existed. And no one from his campaign was working and no ads aired. Come on, you are always accusing the conservatives of living in a pretend world or having blinders on. Why is it so hard to accept, that he is ahead.

When I said no above I was agreeing with you that Mccains either ahead or closed the gap. Brick Wall,)

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Hey guys, new critical poll just in bad news for Obama!

I have been watching a poll on AOL that has Mccain from 64-36 Obama a couple months ago to 72-28 now. Every week Mccain has been gaining ground.
I think Mccain is a lot further ahead than the media wants to admit. I do believe it will be a landslide, but a landslide for MCcain!!
I am tired of Obama just running against George Bush. The reason for anyone to vote for him is not because they dont like George Bush. They should vote for someone because they belive in what that peoson says they will do.
I myself just dont happen to like anything that Obama has said that he will do.
If my local Ford dealer spent 95% of his sales pitch bashing Chevy instead of trying to sell me on the features of his truck, I wouldnt buy that one either..

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