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Dugaboy1, That is a great

Dugaboy1,

That is a great post and an excellent response defending hunting.  You made many very good points.  I have been in discussions like this before, but I don't always have the knowledge or facts at hand to respond as well as you did.  I hope you don't mind as I've saved you post on my computer for my personal reference for future discussions like this that I know I'll be in.

I see it's been several years since you mentioned your health issues.  I hope everything came out OK for you.

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Elephants have rebounded to

Elephants have rebounded to the point that you can hunt them now.  It was not eco tourism that did it but hunting.  Do you really think hunting an elephant is easy?  Please, educate yourself.  Despite being big,  they blend in with their surroundings and are incredibly fast which makes them incredibly dangerous to hunt.

I do buy it for a second that elephants are revenge killing.  Where did you gleen this tidbit of information?  Remember, you can't believe everything you gleen from the internet.

What forest has been turned into a desert by an elephant....please point me to a source for this statement.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you should try to fact check it first.

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DUGABOY, you asked for that "fixed income" stuff! Jel...jeoc....jelo.....envey rears it's ugly head! Mr. Cool! Thumbs up Africa is the biggest what to in my life. Befor I'm gone, I hope to make it,,,even if all I shoot is my camera!!!!!! It must be a truely wonderfull place.

Come to think of it, that fixed income remark took one hell of a lot of gut's to make. I ain't fooling with ya!!!!!!! Talk to the Hand

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Don, Africa is a beautiful place, and once there, nothing else, in the hunting is quite the same again. It is a little like potatochips, you can't be satisfied with only one!

Actually hunting Africa is not as hard as most think. It all depends if you want to hunt Africa. It tickels me to listen to a guy tell me he can't afford to go to Africa, or Alaska, while sitting in a $25,000 bass boat, behind a boat trailer hooked to a $35,000 powerstroak diesel crew cab 4x4 truck. lol

I went because I decided to drive my 5 year old paid off truck another 5 years, instead of buying a new one. To top that off I sold about ten rifles I'd had for twenty years, and took a 7 day Safari that included Impala, Zebra, warthog, wildebeast, hippo, and Cape Buffalo. I barrowed the money from my credit union on a 5 yr note, and the money came out of my check exactly as it had for the last 5 yrs paying for my truck. I never missed the money, as I was already used to the money coming out of my pay. At the end of that note, I bought a new truck, and by that time my wofe's car was paid for, and the circle started all over again, so she had to drive her car another 5 yrs. That was back in 1982, and I went several times after that, till I retired in 1996.

I only have two things now that hender my going back again! They are the fixed income (no overtime, or second jobs) , and my health! Right now as I write this, I just completed a surgery, and 33 days of dailey radiation treatments, at the TEXAS CANCER CENTER, In Arlington Texas, to rid myself of cancer of the throat. This may be my biggest dangerous game hunt of all!

Thank God for this computer, because I can't talk, and I love to talk hunting, and big bore NE double rifles! I say if you want to hunt in Africa, you can, if you want to! It's a trip, in more ways than one! Thumbs up

Good hunting Hoss! Big smile

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You misunderstand. I have no problem with you hunting elephant (or any other form of wildlife management that is nessesary). I don't think any animal is more important or less important than any other. It's just not for me for personal reasons.
We love nothing more than talking hunting too.
Best of luck with your treatment.

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On another site in the "Africa" section, a guy was wondering if there were anymore 100# elephants left. Said he didn't want to spend $30,000 just to shoot a cow. The response that came from JJHack was similar to yours DUGABOY1.

There are some things that I find sacrete, may come as a shock but I don't spell very good, one is Africa. I will make it someday and as I said, if I shoot nothing more than my cameras, it'll be worth the price.

Good luck with your treatments. Now that I've been caring, there was no ptiy asked for and none will be given. Just because you can't talk don't mean you can't write. Keep it comming.

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Don Fischer wrote:
may come as a shock but I don't spell very good,
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Don you are preaching to the choir about spelling! I'm not only dyslexic, but a poor speller on top of that. Oops!

Another thing is, with my style of writeing being very dirrect, my posts are often taken as conforntational, when they are not meant to be. The rant on elephant control, is a fine example of what I'm saying. That post following a sugestion that I hunt an elephant with a camera, led Hunter777 to think I was jumping on him for not hunting elephant. That isn't the case at all, but was an explanation, of why cameras do not issue the needed effect in wildlife control, nothing more! eye roll

You see, I couldn't care less if someone else wants to refrane from shooting elephant with anything other than a camera, that is their business. I have to do that myself, but because I can't afford $60K for a trophy elephant hunt. It isn't because I think it is somehow not a good idea. But when you say that, in a public forum, without qualifying it as being only your choice, it looks to the un-schooled, like a condimnation of hunting elephant. Mr. Cool!

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I suppose it is a little late to post this, but whatever. I love Africa!! I've been twice and plan to go again if at all possible. The wide variety of game and relatively easy access to most of it is wonderful (no 10,000 ft elevations except on the plane over). Go in our summer so it is winter over there and it is not so hot. There are fewer bugs in the winter and dry seasons. Namibia has no malaria except in the caprivi strip way up north. I live in Texas, home of lots of exotic game ranches so I could hunt most everything from there here but the cost is prohibitive here. Examples:

kudu in namibia-$550-750 kudu in texas--$3,000-7,000
blue widebeest-$1000 $3,500-5,000
gemsbok $450-650 $4,000-6,000

So, if you want, the saving by going to Africa will more than cover the airfare and daily rate. Namibia is relatively cheap, compared to Tanzania, Zambia, and Botswana, both in trophy fees and daily rates and without extra fees like gun permits, ammo import fees, license fees, etc. I would urge anyone to go spend a week there. You can come back with 5-10 different animals, and still spend under $15,000, if you pick the right outfitter. I would not recommend a package hunt with preselected game, go for one where you can pick the animals you really want and just pay the trophy fees and daily rates. You will never match the experience elsewhere.

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Kevin, you are absolutely right! There is no saveings in hunting African animals in Texas, when the African hunts can be had at a more reasonable price, overall! In fact one can by pivcking his outfitter, and area right, he can even do better that the $12K , and still come home with many species that can only be had in Africa, and are not available at any price here in the states! Thumbs up

If a man has a job, and a desire to hunt Africa, the only thing holding him back is will power, or the lack of! eye roll

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I will admit that a bongo hunt is a lot cheaper than going to Africa, if done in Texas ( by about 10-20,000). I would still rather go to
Africa for most other things.

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