hey everyone im new to the forum and ive been doing a good bit of reading but im having a hard time deciding every year me and my father do a elk trip this year we took points so were looking at otc's or leftovers witch is fine by us. but last year we got 3rd season for woodland park otc's and we barely could go a few feet without seeing other hunters. so this year wed like to plan well and put the odds in our favor. can anybody give us some advice as to which units my have better success rates i live in salida and he lives in CS but honestly were willing to go any where in the state and terrain isnt a big deal for us as were both in pretty good shape. also were not particular about the type of elk we'd prefer bull i mean who would'nt love to get that monster trophy but we'd be happy just having a good time and walking back into civilization with somthing. also our schedules are pretty flexible so the season isnt super important either. so if you vets wouldnt mind lending some secrets wed really apreciate any sage advice you can offer.