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I agree Cowgal! Fortunately we seem to have gotten rid of the nut! Now we just have the flakes! If we had a few fruits we could have the whole granola bar!

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Most people seem to be more worried about shows trying to see who can dance, sing , or cook the best. Most people don't have a clue who any of these politicians are much less their voting records. The vast majority of people I know have never written their Senators or Representatives, but they'll text tv shows to vote for their favorite reality show participant. Its very sad.

On another note I'm new to this site, so hello all.....

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Hello and welcome to BGH forum. Glad to have you aboard.

It's unfortunate that all too many people in todays society are so eager to text votes for tv competitions, reality shows or whatever else people are into these days. I sure hope this new decade brings better TV programs to the audience. The past decade of so-called reality tv annoyed me at first 10 to 11 years ago, now I'm just fed up with it. Too sick and tired of hearing about people advertise their deepest darkest personal problems on national TV. I don't watch it, but I can't even listen to the radio without hearing about it or some DJ rambling on about it. banghead Oh I miss the days when TV had more shows like Cheers, Wings, or Seinfield.

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The problem with "reality" shows is that they're not reality. They start with a selection process to stack the deck in terms of the cast's interests, personalities, etc. Then they turn them lose on a playing field where it's painfully obvious that the goal is to make "good TV" -- people that get along don't get ratings. So they play up the drama. And then there's editing. On "Survivor," for example, they have 24 hours of footage of over a dozen people to edit down to 50 minutes. Not only does this provide greater incentive for contestants to play it up in competition for air time, but it cements the fiction -- I can take pieces out of anybody's day and make him look like a saint or the devil himself. That's why every reality show has the same cast -- which usually resembles "Gilligan's Island" in a lot of ways. There's always the blowhard that wants to run everything, the intellectual with all the ideas, the all-American sweetheart that everyone loves but no one on the show really appreciates, the strong but dumb one, the lazy one, the eye candy, the patriarch/matriarch, and the evil, manipulative one that seems to get away with everything until they get their comeupppance at the end.

It doesn't matter if it's "Survivor," "Top Chef," or "Top Model." They all use the same script. And I agree -- I long for shows that are well written.

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True, they aren't so much reality as they are drama. They're just called reality shows, so that's how I refere to them. From what I've seen it all about stiff competition and screwing others just to get what they want on the show or it's about airing a deepest darkest personal problem and having the world solve it for them. I don't look down on those who ask for help, but I sure think it's not a good idea to brandish ones problems to the whole world on national TV just because a person is disgustingly fat, or has marital problems or parenting problems. Life is about live and learn, recognize the problem and solve your own drama. It also bothers me to see hardworking enterpenuers who are desperate for money make dumb decisions by giving everything they strived to build to some shark investor. I don't like seeing that type of stuff. It's not in any way entertaining to me, it's just sad. Where does it end? One day will we watch people commit suicide weekly on national TV?? Mad

One things for sure. If I was ever faced with a real survival situation in the wilderness my biggest nightmare would be to have any former cast member or future cast member of the TV show Survivor with me, because they have all proven in front of a national audience that each one only cares about themself and no one else. None of them have the ability, integrity, nor character to work together as a team to get through a tough dire situation. I couldn't imagine not helping a weaker member of your group to survive. In the real world where it a life or death situation, it's about taking care of your people.

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So what your trying to say WH is I could have had a top rated reality show all these years just by putting a camera in my house and I missed the opportunity. neener! neener! neener!

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I've noticed that the fakery is even bleeding into the survivalist shows. I watched "Man vs Wild" with Bear Grylls once, in an episode supposedly pitting himself against Alaska. This guy's supposedly a former SAS survival expert, but it was ridiculous -- he did stuff nobody with any sense in the wilderness would do, specifically to create more dramatics for TV. For example, he needs to get off an escarpment -- does he look for the easy way down, or go where he can grab trees and brush for support on the way down? No! He decides to go down the waterfall -- where he has to hang on to slippery rocks and gets himself soaked in the process. And in Alaska, any moron knows you don't put yourself in situations where you get soaked down in freezing cold water. He finds an abandoned rowboat and, conveniently, a square point shovel to use as an oar. All is well until his boat starts mysteriously taking on water in the middle of a bay full of icebergs. Does he paddle to shore before it becomes a problem? No! He stays out there until the boat's swamped, then abandons ship to swim to shore -- in 32 degree water. I couldn't watch another episode -- it was insulting to anyone who knows anything about the outdoors.

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Bear Grylls is a liability and a big law suite waiting to happen. None of his advise is sound nor senseable. One of these days someone is going to die trying to do what he advises. Bear has been proven a fake too many times anyway, just check out the various stuff people have posted on youtube catching him in lies and calling him out on stuff. Bear always claims to not know where he is, yet he always talks about someone from the past who was lost not far from where he is Think . I also laugh at the idea that Bear is supposed to be as far away from civilization as he can be, yet a youtube clip show and exact location of one of his episodes and it's only 100 yards from a state highway and scenic overlook Applause
If I were lost in the Sierra Nevadas the last thing I would attempt to do is mount and ride a wild mustang out of the woods. Most people would be severely injured or killed attempting to ride a wild horse lol I also marvel at the time he passed up a dirty water puddle that was infested with insects and instead decided to get water from squeesing elephant dung into his mouth. I can't even imagine the type of bacteria and viruses you could get from doing such a stupid thing. He should have just drank from the dirty water puddle Yuk! I can go on and on about Bear Grylls worthless advise but there just isn't enough room here. This is what I think of Bear bs bs bs bs bs

I used to think Les Stroud was more credible, and he seemed to be until recently. I saw some BS on one of his Colorado episodes. He found a half eaten carcass of what he called a small deer. In reality it was a buck Pronghorn obviously planted there by the crew. Pronghorn don't live in high mountain woods or in high meadows in the rockies and I doubt a cougar would drag a pronghorn several miles to a high mountain forest. What I like about Survior Man is that it just about staying put and trying to survive, he does show you how to use resources without the drama or acting.

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So what your trying to say WH is I could have had a top rated reality show all these years just by putting a camera in my house and I missed the opportunity. neener! neener! neener!

Throw in some ooohh laa laa, add some deep personal problems, and show some verbal fights with your wife or girlfriend or both and yeah you could have been a millionare. Applause

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I was running on the treadmill last night and Bear Grylls came on -- couldn't change it. This one was supposedly in Montana. He paraglided off a mountaintop and on the way down was commenting that he had to land in a lake because it was all trees and there weren't any landing zones -- and you could see clearly that there were all kinds of clearings around him. bs Then he made his way down a drainage and found a waterfall which, of course, he had to go straight down rather than off to the side. bs Only this time he made a rope ladder out of sticks and parachute cord. Then he found himself by a huge lake in a desert-like setting, which looked a bit like Clark Canyon Reservoir near Dillon -- obviously miles from the mountain setting he was just in. bs Coincidentally, he just "happened" to find a sunken canoe just offshore, bs which he attempted to patch by stuffing a piece of his parachute inside. bs Then somehow, he managed to launch his parachute from the water to use as a kite for transport. bs Of course, the boat leaked and he had to go back to shore. Then he was back up in the trees again -- obviously at a much higher elevation, even though there's not a big lake in Montana that high above fir trees and limestone spires. bs Conveniently, he found an old cabin for shelter. bs Then he showed that he found an old "telegraph pole" which was obviously an electrical pole, complete with an outdoor light attached. bs In fact, it looked awfully familiar -- like a place just off a forest service road in the hills south of Butte. bs

By that time I finished my run and changed the channel.

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