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Help Identify This Rifle

I was wandering if someone could help me identify this rifle. Not many markings on it just "YE 3211" on the barrel and on the stock. Also it says "RE" on the barrel under the other writing. also " made in italy" near the front sight on the barrel. It looks to be 22 caliber or close to it and has a magzine that is missing. Possibly looks military... Thanks for any help guys I'm think about getting it restored and couldn't find anything online about it.

 

 

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Maby Carcano

Just from it looks like I have a 6.5 carcaco that looks the same. It saw action in ww2 and is the gun that did all the amazing feats on JFK and his motorcade.

Mine shoots well out to 100 + a few yards. The bullet is long so it is hard to stabilize because the barrel has progressive rifling, so it dosent make good contact till the end of the barrel. 

Thanks james    

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Thanks for the info after

Thanks for the info after looking at it it is definetly a larger caliber rifle and not a .22 like I thought at first glance. My grandad bought a truck and the gun came with it. Just trying to get an idea of what it was and if it's worth restoring.

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Those rifles and a lot like

Those rifles and a lot like them back in the 60's were imported by the boat load.  They could be bought through the mail yes US mail for around $30.00 each and there was no limit to how many that you could buy.  It is just a relic of days gone by.  As far as restoring it it would be a good rifle to practice on since you really would not be destroying any value that it might have. 

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Carcano 1891

Yeah it's a Carcano model 1891 type rifle.  Looks like the carbine version, but your has the Type I action with straight bolt handle.  Most WWII Carcano carbines had the curved down bolt handle.  The Type I was also produced in Italy for the Japanese Army prior to the start of WWII.  The Type 1 was a full sized rifle though, typically taller than most of the Japanese troops who would have carried it, much like their own home grown service rifles.  Also many other variations of the Type 1 were produced for other forces as well including Greece.  The stock on your looks to be of military origin, but very simplified or crudely sporterized maybe.  Could be a training type rifle or maybe a Cavalry carbine.  Most of the Cavalry carbines had a fold out bayonet that pivoted under the muzzle.  Your rifle also lacks the top wooden forearm shroud piece that most military rifles had. 

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As was mentioned, that rifle

As was mentioned, that rifle really doesn't have any value other than if you want to spend some time to refurbish it for your own satisfaction and get some practice in case you acquire a firearm in the future that will really be worth some money if properly worked on.

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Thanks for the info. I was

Thanks for the info. I was only wishing to restore this so I can hunt hogs with it. Nothing fancy but I can practice reblueing and everything before I jump into a restoring more expensive gun. I'm having trouble finding the caliber markings on the gun so I'm still not sure what bullets to buy and where to get them...

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caliber markings

Many military service type firearms (both pistols and rifles) don't often have the caliber designation clearly exposed on the topside or side of their barrels.  Sometimes the caliber designation is not marked at all on rifle barrels.  This was often done by certain countries or militaries to deny useful economic or logistical information to the enemy.  Not sure how well it ever worked.  Most of the time you can find the caliber stamping hidden on the underside of the barrels, requiring stock removal.  Other times the caliber designation is clearly stamped on the action somewhere.  When it comes to service pistols, most of the barrels are stamped on the underside of the chamber with it's caliber, sometimes the barrel is not marked at all, but the slide might be. Sometimes both slide and barrel are marked.  It all depends on the era and country of origin or use.

Often with military arsenal invented/derived cartridges the designation will be in the military format. A perfect example is .30 Cal Govt for what we've come to know on the commercial side in civilian life as the .30-06 Springfield. So if you find a caliber stamp that appears strange, just cross check it.  There is a kit available that will help you determine the cartridge designation of an unknown barrel, a good gunsmith will have such a kit, but you can also buy them too. Good luck.

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chamber

If you are serious about shooting it you will need to do a chamber casting to find out what the correct caliber and cartridge is. There were three possiblities for the Carcano, the original 6.5 X 52mm, later was a 7.35 X 52mm and some were redone by the facists to the German 8mm Mauser.

The first two are not hard hitters at all and would not be a great choice for large hogs. The 8mm Mauser is considered by many to be too stout for the Carcano action.

You may can sell it to a Carcano collector for a parts gun.

YE and RE are manufacturers codes and 3211 is the serial number. Made in Italy was stamped on it for importation rules.

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