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My wife and I have a 5 month old German Shorthair Pointer. We received her from a rescue. She is a great little pup but we are having a little trouble getting her to do a few simple commands. I am not sure what her background is (as far as what her previous owners did). But we are determind. Any ideas on books, or programs I could use. When I walk her she goes right to where the quail have been. There is a decent covey in the neighborhood and she seems to fallow the scent well. Would like to start getting her to know the basic commands. Any and all help would be appreciated.
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Welcome to BGH.

There are a number of decent books out there but the one I always recommend it "the Best Way to Train Your gun Dog-The Delmar smith methiod" x Bill Tarrent. If you can't find it, it's on Rick Smith's site I think, that's Delmars son. I think Delmar may also still have a site and it should be there.

The most important thing to do is get one book you like and understand and stick with it. One book I never recommend it "Gun Dog" x Richard Wolter's. You'll find very few experienced trainer that will recommend it, in fact most will tell you not to get it.

There are some good bird dog sites. Only problem is you get to many different opinion's on what to do from great to really bad. And without experience it's hard to tell the good from the bad.

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I recieved a very nice PM reguarding my comment about Wolter's book. The problem with him is that he was a retriever guy and only got a setter to train so he could write a book about it. That it worked to his satifaction may be true but then lots of ways of training work and some are really bad.

Mr Wolter's made the effort with the help of Gene Hill, another retriever guy. I understand thw "Water Dog" is a good book but I've never read it.

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no. 1 read every book you can find
no.2 dont teach dog to sit
no.3 dont give a comand you cant enforce
no.4 make dog come every time you tell it to come and release dog with a comand
no. 5 dont put dog on any more birds until you have total control of dog
no. 6 whoa means whoa......dont let dog move a inch

good luck!!!!

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one more thing on new dog

5 months old is still a pup go slow dont make training a hassel to you or to dog I prefer a dog 1 yr. old to train . dog seems to learn quicker and i can put more pressure on them at that age. 10 min. training sessions 3-5 times a week works well for me.

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Welcome to BGH ts. BTW, I do teach pup's to sit.

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? for don

do they ever try to sit when you teach whoa?

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No they don't but I have seen it happen. If the dog is sitting durning whoa training, it is a reaction to confussion. The dog sit's, pick it up with the check cord. I had a guy bring me a setter like that years ago. she'd sit every time she was whoa'd. Took her in the back yard on her check cord and whoa'd her, sat right down. Raised the CC up about eye level and pulled her to me gently. She had to stand up to maove and as soon as she stod, I dropped my arm and gave the whoa command again. First couple of times she sat back down but then just stood there. Problem solved in one lesson, she just wasn't sure of what was wanted.

I teach whoa on a whoa post and do it as gently as I can. No pinch collar and no slamming into the end of the check cord. If I taught whoa from the heel position I think I'd teach whoa before teaching it to sit. With my dogs now I can heel them and when I stop they'll respond properly to either whoa or sit. If I don't give a command, they stand by their own choice.

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Another rookie here looking for information. Why don't you teach them to sit? Also, have you had good luck with grouse scent in a bottle.

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NTFD 521 wrote:
Another rookie here looking for information. Why don't you teach them to sit? Also, have you had good luck with grouse scent in a bottle.

A lot of bird dog training is just avoiding potential problems. The thinking is that if you teach sit, then later on in a more pressure intense situation that the dog may sit on point. He would remember the praise he got for sitting and think that will make you happy.

I don;t teach sit. I was going to wait and teach it after about 2 years of age, but then found that I didn;t miss that command at all. I do teach stay and whoa, and that is all they need.

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Best thing I ever did was to join NAVHDA. There may be a chapter close to you. You can check at the NAVHDA web site. Other trainers will be there and be glad to help you with your problems. I have GSP and all have been trained and tested with the NAVHDA help.

Doc