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Does anybody here have any opinions on Hawk bullets? They make some really heavy for caliber stuff and I just wanted to see if anyone here had any experience with them. The folks at Hawk seem to think that rounded tips (not quite a round nose, more like a semi-spitzer) are a superior bullet design compared to full spitzers. Any thoughts?
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When you say rounded tip, I assume you mean like the core lock and Speer mag tip? I use spitzer because that's what comes on Hornady bullets. But I like the core lock/mag tip design better.

As far as heavy for caliber, I think the best weight's are pretty much covered bu the rest of the bullet makers. If you have a 25-06 but want to shoot a 125 or 130 gr bullet, why not go to a 6.5? If you get to far into weight without making some drastic changes in the rifle itself, they''ll probably not shoot well. If you have a 223 with a 1-14 twist, it won't handle the 60gr and up bullet's very well with out a re-barrel to get a faster twist.

I think we're talking about hunting bullet's here? Must be because of the rounded tip. Well for 99% of the hunters, even round nose bullets would work fine. But sleek sell's! so does the notion that once you have that long sleek bullet, your ready for the long stuff. A lot of people believe that those high BC bullet's are needed at 300yds. Shoot even those sexy boattails don't do the average hunter much good. I read some time back where even the benchrest shooters are going back to flat base bullets.

To much of bullet sales, in fact cartridge sales is hype for the sake of a sale. Consider the TSX type bullet. Why do you really need a bullet like that when your present bullet shoot's thru most everything you hunt now? You don't!

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But no experience with Hawk?

I totally agree that ballistic coeffecients and boattails are overrated. When I look at ballistic tables in the reloading guides, a minor bump in velocity has a greater effect on drop than a minor increase in BC. Not that any of that comes close to mattering until 400 yards. And obviously, heavy for caliber bullets of a basic spitzer shape have great B.Cs. My 140 gr .264 Partitions have almost a .500 BC.

I'm certain that roundnose and semi spitzers transfer energy quicker (just physics), but by that same reasoning, won't a spitzer shape if of the same construction penetrate further?

I love my Partitiions and I love my Barnes TSXs, and I like heavy for caliber bullets because I want complete penetration. I've taken over two hundred big game animals (mostly hogs and whitetails, but a few elk and mule deer) and much of my early shooting (not really hunting) was with ballistic tips. I loved the blood trails when I had exit wounds, but without an exit things got pretty difficult. I'd say 75% of the time those light, fast opening bullets would exit, which is good, but I couldn't always count on them to do so.
Anyway, now that I live in the west again, elk and larger mule deer are the name of the game and I don't get to shoot deer year round on a scientific permit, so I don't like the idea of taking chances with them. I want full penetration, I want flat shooting, accurate bullets. I've used ballistic tips twice on mule deer and not liked the results either time. Both animals died, but required numerous follow up shots because some of the bullets were blowing up on the shoulder.
Anyway, I was just curious whether anyone had used Hawk bullets. I like how they will let you select bullet jacket thickness and nose shape on many of their bullets, plus allow you to go to extremely heavy bullets. Like 165 and 180 gr 270s, 215 gr .30 cal spitzers, 160 gr .264, 220 gr and 250 gr 8mm, 275 and 300 gr .358, etc. Since they do custom work too, you can have them build whatever you think you might want, including variations on jacket thickness.
And I'm shooting fast-twist rifling on most of guns anyway because I like heavy bullets.
That brings up another question...If it takes energy to impart spin on a bullet, mustn't it take more energy and therefore would you lose some velocity with a faster spin? Physics should dictate that you would, right? You know, object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. Force equals energy, so I'm pretty sure you have to be losing velocity with faster twist barrels. And I'm not about to test that theory by rebarreling a gun several times.

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I'm not sure about losing velocity with faster twist barrels. All I've heard is that the fast twist barrels can be hard on lighter bullets.

About a spitzer penetrating deeper, I doubt it. As soon as it hit's it starts to mushroom. If they do penetrate deeper I would think it is more because they hit with somewhat more velocity. Of course if the velocity is to high and the bullet to fragile, penetration can be out the window.

If you can't find the info your looking for on Hawk bullets, check out Wildcat Bullets. They make heavy for caliber bullets.

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I just checked them out. Never heard of them, but that kind of seems like what I'm looking for. Plus you gotta like cheap Canadian prices. But are they in business? On the home page there is a note from the webmaster that infers that they are not. Have you ever considered swaging your own bullets? Corbin sells all sorts of stuff to make your own jacketed rifle bullets.

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"If my memory is correct the Hawk bullet has no base to its so called jacket! This means that the 'jacket' is just tubing open at the front and the back.

There was an incident where a core blew through a jacket when the bullet was in a rifles barrel!"

"If the base of Hawk bullet is still open and not protected by a jacket then the core could blow out as one did before. When the core blew out the jacket stuck in the barrel."

"that happened to me, destroyed the rifle and left me with a life long eye injury. Core squirted out of the jacket but the jacket remained in the barrel. I wouldnt suggest Hawk bullets"

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It doesn't look to me like Hawks bullets have exposed lead at the base. Also, Nosler Partitions do have exposed lead bases, and I've never heard of anything like that happening before.

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Partitions are solid jacket metal in the center of the bullet. Thats what forms the partition! Thus the lead core cannot get pushed through.

Show me the base of a Hawk bullet.

"They are basically nothing more than yesterdays bullets with a lot of promises IMO..No partition, not soldered to the jacket, no locking feature to hold the lead in the jacket, and a real line of BS to sell them..."

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I realize that Partitions are partitioned Brick Wall,) , I reload them and they definitely have exposed lead bases in every caliber I've ever used. I love them and I doubt the lead "squirts" out the base on impact with a Partition, which is why even if the Hawks did (and looking at the pictures on their site, it does not appear to), it wouldn't concern me much. Having a rifle blow up from a jacket slipping its core would concern me though.

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There's a guy on Graybeardoutdoors that was using Wildcatt bullet's in a 25-06. "Nomosendero", moderates the medium cartridge threads. Very knowledgeable guy that will be able to give you info on Wildcatts. he uses the 125 gr bullet in his 25-06 IMP. Tell him I said hi.

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