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Has anyone else noticed this in your area lately??

I thought I had heard the pres of Walmart say they would never stop selling rifles and shotguns mostly due to the founder putting that in a clause, apparently he was a serious waterfowler. Im not sure how much water that holds though,enough to be spoken I suppose.

Fear Not Western Hunter, In the town I grew up part of my life in, the pharmacy sold a few guns and hunting supplies now they are out of the drug buiss and a full time fully stockedfirearms dealer.
I always thought it nice to have a place to get ones prescriptions filled and minnows all at once though!

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WesternHunter and Hiker,

I know what you mean about Gart Bros. I've been hunting in CO for the last 13 years and I could always get my last minute stuff at Gart's in Denver. It was on the way from the airport to my friends house. The last couple of years, since it changed to Sports Authority, their selection has been absolute crap. I stopped this year to pick up Triple 7 and primers since I couldn't bring them on the plane. They didn't carry any blackpowder stuff at all. The sad thing is we also stopped at Bass Pro off of I-70. This was the Thursday prior to the muzzleloader opener in CO and they had NO Triple 7...fresh out. What were these people thinking. NOBODY can bring blackpowder on a plane. Everybody coming in from out of state on a plane has to buy it in CO. The guy at Bass Pro told me "just use Pyrodex, they're the same anyway". I'm glad I don't use that guy for reloading advice since you're supposed to reduce the load by 15% when you use Triple 7. The only place we found Triple 7 was at Sportsman's Warehouse. I called them up and the guy said "Come on down, we've got tons". I'm sure some smaller shops may have had it too but I don't know where a lot of them are and they're probably not open at 9 at night.

The local WalMarts around here in NH are getting rid of most of their shooting stuff. Only one of about five around here carry much of anything for the shooting sports. I asked my brother, a WalMart manager, what the deal was and he said it was all about floor space. The stores that do a good business in firearms stuff will still have it but the ones who don't sell enough will lose it.

I bought my Remington 700 Mtn Rifle at a Woolworth's store in VT. $299 on sale. One of the best firearms deals I ever got. They had a pretty good selection but that was in the late 80's. The store is gone now.

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Anymore now I give my business (for shooting, cleaning, and reloading) exclusively to Sportsmans Warehouse. No one locally even comes close to having as much a reloading selection that Sportmans has.

I expected much more from the new Bass Pro off of I-70 in the way of reloading stuff, but have been hugely disappointed the few times I've shopped there. Seems that Bass Pro is more concerned with events, wall taxidermy mounts, jewelery, nick nacks, and sportswear rather than the stuff that true hunters or shooters care about or need. I only make my way there if I see an add in the newspaper for shotshell target loads at dirt cheap prices. They have had a few good sales on those. They do have a good selection of hunting clothing too. I do like the Redhead brand outdoor wool socks and gloves. Quality for price on those heavy wool socks and gloves just can't be beat.

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It is difficult to fight the bad image when you look around the internet and see what some guys are saying. I recall on GBO about a year ago some guy bragging about going down the road at 60 mph in his jeep ans putting a clip full os 223's out of his M-16 into a hiway sign. I see signatures that are rather in your face. Not particularly offensive to most hunters but I'd say very much so to others. I have read arguments that others have made that so long as it's legal it's ethical and that they have the right to sound off anyway they want. They do but, people are watching and listening. The great debate over para military type weapons gets supporters bashing non-supporters, nobody wins!

I remember when we used handguns for plinking and some hunted with them. It brought out the speciality handguns like the XP100, certainly a hunting weapon just like the T/C and others like them. But the talk changed to best guns to hide for defence and the best loads to shoot other people. Even tho that is a rather rare occurence, many talk about it like there's a bad guy behind every bush and we need to shoot him. We add fuel to the fire of lies that already exist.

Handguns are the easiest to attack, after all what is their purpose? Especially the auto loading types. We can denight all we want but they have one only truely good use. and to many dwell on that. The movie industry doesn't care if what they produce is right or wrong, they want entertainment that people will buy and the stero type red neck with a gun is more saleable that Mr Rodgers is a deer hunter that does it cleanly.

Far to many of us have been our own worst enemy in this thing that has taken years and years to reach this point. Rather than condem that redneck in your face attitude, we support the morons right to be that way. Well your experiencing the long term effect of it.

I like hand guns. I have several. I have one autoloader, a 9mm that is a personnal defence weapon, Ruger P-89. I don't show it to anyone that might be even a bit queezy about it and I seldom talk of it excetp around other shooters. I have several old DA's, a 38 spec, a 32 Long and a 22 RF. I will show them to others but ues caution in doing so. People that don't want to understand won't! I also own a High sdandard HD Military I like to plink with. I keep them all out of sight when I go somewhere to shoot till I get there. I also do not argue with any anti. I allow them they belief's and make no effort to convert them or humilify them. I will never play their game by their rules.

If there is an answer to beat back this trend, I don't know what it is but I'm sure it's not more in your face I'm proud to be a redneck crap. I should add that I have seen little of that on this site. Several others, it's a different story.

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You make a good point Don. While reading your post I started thinking about what the forest service did at a free public range in a nearby national forest.

It's one of those areas with a backstop that's free of charge, no one operates it, it's all up to the shooters the govern themselves and clean up after themselves. Shooters drag old waterheater tanks, refridgerators, car doors, washing machines, just all kinds of garbage to shoot all to hell. Very few ever bother to clean up after themselves despite the two large visable signs stating to pick up after shooting. That sign even is riddled with bullet holes. The place has just been completely trashed out. Despicable!!!

Well the forest rangers got tired of the place getting completely trashed out. They know that the range sees the heaviest use from shooters for hunter's sight-in starting around late August until end of October. You can guess what they did to prove a point to all the users of the range. They closed the range entirely for complete cleanup starting in late August until the end of October. People bitched and moaned about the closure, citicizing the forest service, yet they just did not seem to get the message being sent to them by the forest service. The message was CLEAN UP AFTER YOURSELF and IMPRESS OTHER SHOOTERS TO CLEAN UP TOO, then we won't close the range for clean up during the most critical time and busiest time of year. I think to some degree many shooters and hunters have ruined a lot for themselves over the years. As for me, I stopped going to shoot there a long time ago. It just got to be a safety issue, just too many careless shooters and questionable people I simply did not trust.

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I've seen several spots like that. Trash everywhere and all littered with MTy ammo cases and everything shot full of holes. But I don't believe that they represent the majority of shooters. Yet fear of loss seems to keep the majority from doing anything about it! Also I doubt that the trash is all brought in by shooters. Who would haul some of that stuff in just to target practice.

Reguardles of who did what tho, others will see the mess and the MTY cases all over and the bullet holes in everything and blame the shooting public in general. When I see these things happening, I get license numbers and discriptions of people and call the state patrol. Unfortunately they are slow to respond and sometimes the response is nothing more than shutting some useable range down.

With that being the case, I still turn in people but I try to clean up their mess first and let the cops know I did. Usually then nothing happens. Seems that once the eye sore is gone the cops don't care!

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I to have seen plenty of those spots and amazed at the looks i get when I am watched cleanign up not only mine but other folks messes, including spend shell cases. My own and others. I am a avid if you brought it, leave with it advocate. I also whole agree completely with the anti redneck sentiment, I know and have met MANY people like that do to guideing and competition shooting and will argue with them probably more about ethical hunting and shooting then I ever have argueing anti hunters and shooters thier points. In the end i think all we can do is try to lead by example and hope for the best that others around us and especcially childern learn from it cause both arguements tend to fall on deaf ears

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I still go to Wal-Mart to purchase my hunting licenses because i know there is never a line there! Other than that, I would never purchase anything from there for hunting. I would much rather visit heaven a.k.a. Cabela's or make a trip to Dick's Sporting Goods in Kansas City.

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