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H & R's front loading 58 cal. smoke pole

I was just given an older model H & R 58 cal. front loader. The action breaks like the rest of their firearms and a cap is placed on a nipple where the chamber would be on a modern firearm. The cap is exposed to the elements with a small void/opening above the cap.
I'm told the rifle is legal in Washington for muzzleloader season. I'm thinking I'll use it for Elk next season.
Is there anyone that is familiar with this particular firearm.

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Sounds just like the new .50 cal ML that H&R make. You put the primer in a sleeve and it sets into the "breech". The powder and bullet are loaded from the front.

.58 cal sounds like it could pack a whallop. Good Luck with it!

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i own a .50 that takes 150 grs of powder,it kicks about like a 12 guage shotgun Yes

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I expect that it will throw a 600 to 700gr slug at 1200fps.

Hey, Nevadahuntr. I hunted Nevada off and on for about 20 yrs. Where do you like to head to when your after one of those big Nevada mulie? They've got some monsters in that state.
Also got lucky with a few Antelope. Where's your favorite place?
And the Quail and Chukar. I always brought a few home. Any special spots you like?

Have you ever tried muzzleloading at Mt. Potesi? They pull some big Elk off that mountain. Archers like it especially well.

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all of my nevada hunting for big game is done around mountian city in northern NV,I have an aunt and uncle that own land that borders the Natl. forest near there.The only bird hunting I do is north of Tonapah but the little bastards are hardly worth the hunt,no meat at all.All of the northern Humbolt Natl forests have big muleys but not always easy to find them before they migrate.There are herds of muleys that migrate down fron Utah in winter that have amazing bucks,always after the season though.I have lived in Vegas off and on for 6 1/2 years I do my serious hunting far from Nevada and the miserable damned desert.In the whole time I spent in Vegas I have only seen one muley near here and that was in red rock canyon,plenty of sheep near the damn though. Shame on You!

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We had our best luck with the big Mulies up on the Idaho border around Jarbridge. Gas up in Elko and head up the mountains from there. The last few times I tried along the Utah border there were to many hunters chasing to few deer.
The Antelope ran up the Big Smokey Valley up into Battle Mtn.
There were Chukar aplenty along the California border from Beatty up to Silverpeak.
Quail were abundant south of Overton along the lake between the Arizona border and along the Eldorado Mtns. from Seachlight to Nelsons Landing.

Where do you do most of your serious hunting. I moved up to the northwest to get a bigger variety and more of an abundance of game. Plus, the fishings great.

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Re: H & R's front loading 58 cal. smoke pole
fuzzybear wrote:
I'm told the rifle is legal in Washington...

Double check for yourself. Read all of the regulations carefully and if you don't understand don't ask your buddy or the guy down at the gunshop--call your dept. of wildlife directly. It is really amazing the amount of misinformation out there concerning muzzleloader regulations. I have had both experienced hunters and so-called "experts" at a gunshop tell me stuff that was just completely WRONG!

You don't want to lose your hunting privileges because you trusted something you heard from some guy.

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Yea, I've been checking. I'm finding that I may have been given some bad info. The newer H&R front loaders are not legal in this state. If this older model is built the same. I won't be using it on any game.
The cap has to be attached directly to the nipple and exposed to the elements.

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Well, I did some more checking on this H&R 58 cal.
It happens to be an older model that has the exposed cap. As it is set up it uses a #11 cap but, can be converted to use the Musket cap. It is not set up to use the enclosed 209 shotgun primer. Therefore, it is legal to use on game in the state of Washington.

I just finished cleaning it up.
I'm taking it with me this weekend, on our blacktail scouting trip. That big old black bear may stick his nose where he wished he hadn't.

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I took the old H&R 58 cal shooting.
Not bad. I haven't perfected a load as yet. It sure likes the T/C 555gr maxi ball with 90grs of Triple 7 and a musket cap.
Makes a very big hole and a very distict thump when it hits.
Can't imagine it not being able to put next years elk meat in the freezer or this years bear.
As I said earlier. I haven't perfected anything as yet but, it looks like it's going to be a 100 yd rifle. I'll probably be setting it up at 3" high at 50 yds. That will put it 2-1/2" low at 100 yds. I looked but, I didn't find any pots of gold where they hit.

I heard today, that it is the last version of the older style. It has a steel insert in the breech end, where the nipple is placed.
The first two versions did not have the insert and were not safe to shoot. The powder charge would flash back at the shooter. Causing injury.
I was told, not to shoot the first versions. Very dangerous.
I got the impression that H&R had some legal problems over those first versions. Hence, NEF.
Can't imagine them not knowing about the problem before they sent them to market.

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H & R's front loading 58 cal. smoke pole

seen one of those old h&r's take a buffalo cow last feb. one shot is all it took at 75yrds in workin up the load we found out that it didnt like pyrodex or triple7 but really liked large amounts of 3fg

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