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BunnySlayer wrote:
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I doubt we are very far off when it comes to our respective concealed carry philosophy. I too have taught defensive handgun, though probably not as extensively as you. Police and Security personnel probably fare little if any better than your folks did. My point is if we can march and protest peacefully in San Diego we can do so anywhere. Not only that, we should be! I for one am sick to death of being made to feel as if what we do is wrong or the cause or crime.

Such demonstrations are not only a sign of strength and unity to our political opposition but to one another. We can no longer in my opinion simply sit back and let our rights be legislated away. We can and must stand and be counted and that means more than just legislating and supporting the NRA quietly in our homes. It will mean getting off of our fannies and being seen, heard and even offending some people. I for one think it's about time we offended a few folks. At the next unloaded open carry protest I will make sure to be there so I can stand and be counted with my brother NRA members.

I have no problem with protest like that. But I don't think the place to protest is at someone else's party. I have no use for Obama but he has as much right to his own little gathering's feeling secure, and he probably does any way. We have a format don't we? Wasn't the police notified of your protest and did they try to stop or disrupt it?

I am not a God fearing man. I am an Agnostic. But if you come to my house for dinner and you'd like to ask grace not only I, but everyone else there will allow you that, quietly and without protest. What you may not do is force your belief's down my throat or anyone else's there. For me it is a simple thing. Like allowing Obama to have his little get together gun free and believeing at the same time I will also have mine. His little get together was not about gun's yet some gun people wanted to make it just that. And as I said earlier, I would have had no problem had those guns not been made public. After all that's what this discussion is about. The fool that goes marching into a bad area lettting everyone know he's armed is simply asking for trouble.

You have a good day my friend!

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For me it is a simple thing. Like allowing Obama to have his little get together gun free and believeing at the same time I will also have mine. His little get together was not about gun's yet some gun people wanted to make it just that. And as I said earlier, I would have had no problem had those guns not been made public.

I understand your point Don. On the other side of that, Obama is president now and part of the baggage that goes with the office is that when he goes out it's a public affair. People protest all the time and never has the opposition given us the kind of consideration you would give them. I can understand not allowing folks with guns near the President, however my point was we can and should be far more "in your face" with our protesting than we have been in the past. You be well also.

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There are no laws against unloaded open carry by law abiding citizens and Jtaps remark about strafing them from the air was right out of a third world dictatorship. I thought it was the left that viewed us as a threat, rather than an asset. Not our own people. Just what the left wants us all to think and exactly the tactics the Pelosi's, Kennedy's Boxers etc would like to be able to employ.

Wow, I go camping and return to find out that I am viewed as a left wing Pelosi thug.
Nowhere in your post did you state that there would be 1 million unloaded firearm carrying men.
I know of nowhere that it is lawful to open carry a firearm, loaded or unloaded. Of course there probably are places but you can be damn sure it aint Washington DC.
Marching 1 million armed men on a nations capitol is more like a 3rd world coup attempt and I don't for 1 minute believe that a responsible gun owner would even consider that notion.
It is wrong on every level to force a political agenda or statement with the end of the barrel of a firearm in your opponents face.

Lets face it friends, A firearm projects power and is extremely intimidating, much more so than a 9-iron or a dozen Roses..
Rounding up 1 million of them and marching on the White House would be nothing short of provocative. There could be only one response. Then you would play right into their hands.

I believe there is a universe of difference between a person carrying a firearm in the course of their daily activities and carrying strictly to intimidate and illicit a response no matter how noble the intention would be.

If you want to shirk your responsibilities as a gun owner and shred and toss aside the Constitution then I cannot ally myself with you.
There are proper ways with dealing with these people as provided by the Constitution and the Law. Organize a group and get gun owners in your area to register to vote and then make sure they exercise their right to vote before the exercise their right to own a gun and wrongly arm themselves and march on the Capitol or intimidate others at a meeting.
I stand by my statement, you round up 1 million armed men and march on the capitol of my country and I will have no problem with strafing them with a squadron of A-10 Warthogs to disperse them. If it was the A-10 warthog that you had a problem with then I would be just as pleased with a squadron of F-22 Raptors doing the strafing. Evil!

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I suspect that if you were to march a million armed men on Washington, even with MTY guns, there would be hell to pay. And it wouldn't shock me because I would expect it.

As for where you can't carry even an unloaded gun, I strongly suggest you don't try it in NYC or Wash DC if it's a handgun! Not sure about Wash DC but NYC is a huge fine and one year in jail, I believe it's called the Sullivan Act.

My idiot step son was leaving NYC at LaGuadia Airport and told him he had a handgun in a suit case. Figured he'd be ok if he did because a ticket agent in Sacramento told him that was all he had to do. He'll never see that gun again and he'll damn sure never take one there again!

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I know of nowhere that it is lawful to open carry a firearm, loaded or unloaded. Of course there probably are places but you can be damn sure it aint Washington DC.

It is legal here in California. As I explained earlier, this is how a number of California gun owners have protested our unfair concealed carry laws in this state. They have organized protest marches and gatherings carrying firearms unloaded and in the open. Mainly in San Diego but the idea is catching on elsewhere. I find it surprising and dissapointing that the idea of law abiding citizens bearing arms, as is their second amendment right, seems to frighten you to the point you would advocate shooting them down, but it seems to. I can only hope we are somehow misunderstanding each other.

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I doubt he would advocate shooting them down other than those circumstances. I can't imagine a million men armed even with MTY guns, marching down Penn. Ave to the White House not creating a big stir, they would be begging to be shot. Those same million men marching down there with signs explaining their position would still draw a lot of attention but not the same attention as with guns. You have to remember that some of those guns will be loaded, which ones? And some of those million men will probably be some kind of loon or terrorist taking advantage of an opertunity to maybe sneak in for a close shot. If that were to happen, the press would have a field day with the million man march that fielded guns and tried to kill the pres. So in the end it could be a huge disaster. Carry signs that look like guns!

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BunnySlayer wrote:
I find it surprising and dissapointing that the idea of law abiding citizens bearing arms, as is their second amendment right, seems to frighten you to the point you would advocate shooting them down, but it seems to. I can only hope we are somehow misunderstanding each other.

I am certainly not advocating shooting down law abiding armed citizens exercising their 2nd amendment rights, but rather, as Don said, the circumstance.
I don't believe that marching 1 million armed men down Penn Av towards the White House would be considered Lawful. It is my contention that it would be considered an Act of War and would be so in any country of the world should 1 million armed men were to march on a Capitol Building.

We should also be very careful when attending "Town Hall" meetings, "Tea Parties" or other protest venues while openly carrying a firearm. Let us not forget the outrage put forth by most on this forum at the Black Panther Guy carrying a Baton while standing outside a Polling place. Most called for his head on a stick but I am sure there was no law preventing this man from carrying, openly, his Baton however it was intimidating. Same, same for an open carry firearm, legal? mabe, but wise? It is unneeded in my opinion.

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We'll lets hear one other protestor's side of it. This one in New Hampshire. Even Chris Matthews could not succeed in smearing this guy. Agree or not, he makes a point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYUmCj4yud4

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cowgal wrote:
Its been said already, but I strongly believe there is a time and place for everything, and guns do not belong at a protest. Just because its not against the law, does not mean you should do it.

Its not against the law to have sex, but that doesn't mean I should have sex on the White House lawn! Evil!

Maybe you wouldn't have sex on that lawn, but I'm sure it's been done before. lol

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WesternHunter wrote:
We'll lets hear one other protestor's side of it. This one in New Hampshire. Even Chris Matthews could not succeed in smearing this guy. Agree or not, he makes a point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYUmCj4yud4

I like the guy.

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