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As I think about this, I think the best way to deal with the antis is through elections and voting. There are probably a lot of people in the middle that don't have strong opinions and we have to reach them, but in a way that doesn't alienate or scare them.

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While I certainly agree with what JTapia stated, this might get the gun grabbers thinking about what might happen if they do try to take our guns away.

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While I agree with bunnyslayer in principle, reality will show that it would be viewed in a negative tone by the media and antis. However, why does a million legally armed citizens make us any more uneasy than a million people carrying golf clubs, or even a million people carrying roses. A law abiding citizen is no more or less dangerous if he or she is carrying a flower or an AR15 with a 90 rd drum mag in it. A law abiding citizen is a law abiding citizen is a law abiding citizen, etc., etc. The gun laws don't target the criminals, they target the rest of us.

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However, why does a million legally armed citizens make us any more uneasy than a million people carrying golf clubs, or even a million people carrying roses. A law abiding citizen is no more or less dangerous if he or she is carrying a flower or an AR15 with a 90 rd drum mag in it. A law abiding citizen is a law abiding citizen is a law abiding citizen, etc., etc. The gun laws don't target the criminals, they target the rest of us.

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I for one am tired of being made to feel as if shooting sports and firearms ownership were somehow something to be ashamed of. When discovering my hobby, some people look at me as if I had just told them I were a pornographer, specializing in barnyard creatures. It might help to remember the 2nd amendment says keep and BEAR arms. Not just the right to keep a gun hidden away in your closet like it was your Dads Penthouse collection. The idea of a million gun march past the White house isn't and shouldn't be that much of a stretch, yet some of you act as if you were too ashamed to do so or possibly thought the NRA was a threat to national security like certain lefties . We can either excersize our rights or lose them. Politicians need to see and hear us. There are no laws against unloaded open carry by law abiding citizens and Jtaps remark about strafing them from the air was right out of a third world dictatorship. I thought it was the left that viewed us as a threat, rather than an asset. Not our own people. Just what the left wants us all to think and exactly the tactics the Pelosi's, Kennedy's Boxers etc would like to be able to employ.

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Its been said already, but I strongly believe there is a time and place for everything, and guns do not belong at a protest. Just because its not against the law, does not mean you should do it.

Its not against the law to have sex, but that doesn't mean I should have sex on the White House lawn! Evil!

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How does an unloaded firearm pose anymore risk than a cane? We all know what a firearm in the wrong hands is capable of. We also know that the laws being imposed on us are because of these firearms in the wrong hands. What is wrong with showing the public that we are not a bunch of knuckle-dragging rednecks shooting everything and everybody that moves. We are lawyers, doctors, accountants, soldiers, wives, husbands, etc. We have already lost when we start judging ourselves the same way as the antis are judging us.

The media states gun toting white people at the rally and racism but failed to show that there were african-americans bearing arms at the same protest. The media never lets the truth get in the way of a good story, does it?

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I have to side with cowgirl on this. Guy's taking guns to functions like that are getting a bit in your face. They already know they are going to run into antis there and what the outcome will be . What I don't think I'd mind is a concelled weapon that simply does not get shown. To me a concelled weapon should never be shown unless it's time to use it.

I think when we quit fighting it like a war and not brandishing it in people's faces then we will start to move forward. Somehow we need to seperate ourselves from the trash that just doesn't care while still maintaining our rights. Being in your face does not accomplish that.

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cowgal wrote:
Its been said already, but I strongly believe there is a time and place for everything, and guns do not belong at a protest. Just because its not against the law, does not mean you should do it.

Its not against the law to have sex, but that doesn't mean I should have sex on the White House lawn! Evil!

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I think when we quit fighting it like a war and not brandishing it in people's faces then we will start to move forward. Somehow we need to seperate ourselves from the trash that just doesn't care while still maintaining our rights. Being in your face does not accomplish that.

This is exactly the mentality I'm talking about. We've been conditioned by the left to believe our sport is something akin to sex that should be kept behind closed doors in shame. Here in California a number of law abiding citizens in the San Diego area have taken to gathering lawfully and peacefully while carrying openly (unloaded) in protest of our states unfair applications of concealed carry laws. They have all gone very well, law enforcement being notified of our intentions. Politicians need to see us and hear us and know that we will not stand for any further erosion of our rights. It's exactly the opposite Don. We ARE in a war and we will not win until we take the offensive. Sometimes that means offending the odd individual. So what? I for one am sick and tired of being made out to be a crimminal in waiting. If offending a few moral cowards is what it takes let it happen.

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cowgal wrote:
Its been said already, but I strongly believe there is a time and place for everything, and guns do not belong at a protest. Just because its not against the law, does not mean you should do it.

Its not against the law to have sex, but that doesn't mean I should have sex on the White House lawn! Evil!

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I think when we quit fighting it like a war and not brandishing it in people's faces then we will start to move forward. Somehow we need to seperate ourselves from the trash that just doesn't care while still maintaining our rights. Being in your face does not accomplish that.

This is exactly the mentality I'm talking about. We've been conditioned by the left to believe our sport is something akin to sex that should be kept behind closed doors in shame. Here in California a number of law abiding citizens in the San Diego area have taken to gathering lawfully and peacefully while carrying openly (unloaded) in protest of our states unfair applications of concealed carry laws. They have all gone very well, law enforcement being notified of our intentions. Politicians need to see us and hear us and know that we will not stand for any further erosion of our rights. It's exactly the opposite Don. We ARE in a war and we will not win until we take the offensive. Sometimes that means offending the odd individual. So what? I for one am sick and tired of being made out to be a crimminal in waiting. If offending a few moral cowards is what it takes let it happen.

I'm sorry, it's not my mentality and I doubt it's cowgirls, it's simply an opinion. In the gathering your talking about I can understand it and find nothing wrong. Then if the anti's show up, and they probably did, they already know the gathering is about guns. I think then they should listen to the other side or stay home.

My opinion on concelled carry isn't what you might think either. I don't think a permit to carry should be needed. That only insure's that the names of people that have handguns will be logged somewhere and the bad guy's are gonna carry anyway without one. And the way it's done now, most holder's of the permit couldn't qualify to carry on a shooting course. But I'd also like to see people that do carry take a really good course not only in the laws surrounding it but in using a handgun in combat and firing one. I've known a lot of people with the permit and most were just good enought with their weapon to get themselves hurt and knew little about combat.

For three years while stationed in Germany I was our site weapons NCO. As such I did teach small arms handling including using handguns, the M1 carbine, AR15, 45 ACP and the 38 spec. I found that most people could get by with the carbine and AR15 and most were totally dunfounded with the handguns. I would hate to have to depend on most people to protect me with a hand gun.

Proficency with a handgun come's at a cost, ammo and lots of it. Few people shoot enough with handguns to ever learn. And fewer yet have ever taken any kind of handgun combat course. If in fact the law is issuing permits, I'd rather see them require combat courses and regular qualifing every year. Anything less is just compiling list's of owners and collecting income.

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Don,

I doubt we are very far off when it comes to our respective concealed carry philosophy. I too have taught defensive handgun, though probably not as extensively as you. Police and Security personnel probably fare little if any better than your folks did. My point is if we can march and protest peacefully in San Diego we can do so anywhere. Not only that, we should be! I for one am sick to death of being made to feel as if what we do is wrong or the cause or crime.

Such demonstrations are not only a sign of strength and unity to our political opposition but to one another. We can no longer in my opinion simply sit back and let our rights be legislated away. We can and must stand and be counted and that means more than just legislating and supporting the NRA quietly in our homes. It will mean getting off of our fannies and being seen, heard and even offending some people. I for one think it's about time we offended a few folks. At the next unloaded open carry protest I will make sure to be there so I can stand and be counted with my brother NRA members.

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