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PETA and the rest of those lop-sided bleeding hearts just don't understand that the american hunter did not work themselves to the top of the food chain just to become vegitarians!!!!

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If the wolves are taking over and running outta food, I sure there are enough PITA freaks out there to feed them for a long time. Throw in some of the ELF and Sierra Club nazis and they should have enough to survive forever.

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A local butcher in our rural area said that in one year he has half the deer in versus last year - in one year. The wolves are surrounding our home and we saw a wolf in the field by our house. A couple of neighbors have been surrounded by packs of wolves and were left to run for their lives out of the woods. The wolves have chips that detect their status - where they are and if they are killed, so if man - the superior species - were to defend himself he could be facing a $10,000 fine and/or jail time.
I don't understand why I can't kill the wolves when they are in the same area where my children run out and play or if I am hunting - to protect myself. They take the deer young, of course they would eat my children.
I hope that conservationists see the value of man, and decide it is more important for man to celebrate his freedoms, his right to hunt and his right to protect himself and his family.

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Bitmasher wrote,

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You have a good point Saskie and Darkhorse too about viciousness of wolves. Wolf apologist seem to ignore how brutal they can be and act as if they are bunch of overgrown puppies, which just incenses ranchers even more. None the less, I still think they have a place out there

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They take the deer young, of course they would eat my children.
I hope that conservationists see the value of man, and decide it is more important for man to celebrate his freedoms, his right to hunt and his right to protect himself and his family

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According to Peter Capsticks book Maneaters there have been no documented cases of Wolves eating people in North America. Admittedly the reverse is true in eastern europe where things like wars and famine have essentialy taught generations of Wolves to eat people. As far as their inate viciousness goes it is a mistake to place human emotionalisms such as vicious on wild animals. They do what they must to survive and do it well. Personally I would love to see the populations of these magnificent predators grow to the point where they can be hunted. There's just something magical about sharing space in a forest with even the possibility of a wolf sighting. I would hate to lose it to commercial hunting and poision and traps because of cattle loss as we once did.
I also would love to take a wolf or two. Personally I think in the proper numbers and with proper control this will be possible in the near future. Just my two cents.

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In September my hunting partner and I flew out to a public use cabin deep in the bush on a brown bear hunt. Every evening the wolves would come out and start howling. One memory I'll never forget is standing outside that cabin by the fire in the chill night air under millions of stars, howling at the wolves and hearing them howl back in that eerie, echoey, mournful way. I even called one in from across the river and he circled around camp a couple hundred yards away, talking to us for an hour or two. We figured he must've been kicked out of the pack and was lonely. I finally got to see him on the morning we left -- he came out onto the airfield about 150 yards away and stood there watching me. He got lucky because our pilot was less than an hour out -- otherwise he'd be hanging in my house right now.

Wolves are predators and we treat them as such up here, but they're amazing animals. They can be a problem, though. I haven't heard of wolves messing with people up here, but they were killing dogs in people's yards on the outskirts of town last winter. My son's teacher lost her dog that way.

Even here, people debate about what to do. The state shoots them from the air, which a lot of you may have heard of. But what you probably didn' t hear was the controversy over natives wanting to use one of their traditional control methods -- killing pups in the den. Brutal, but effective.

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BunnySlayer wrote:
According to Peter Capsticks book Maneaters there have been no documented cases of Wolves eating people in North America.

Alex Karras, an old time trapper from back home wrote a book (two books, actually) about his life on the trap line in Saskatchewan's far north. He recalled one instance where in his opinion, a pack was hunting him using similar methods he'd seen them use on moose - sort of herding him toward a small frozen lake. Where he knew others were waiting.

Is that an attack - not hardly. Was he just nervous because these wolves didn't run at the sight of him, quite probably.

After the incident, he reflected that had they taken him down - he'd have just been another of many men who disappeared in the north and were never seen or found. Most of the men he's referring to were very experienced bushmen, the chance of simple starvation, getting lost, mental breakdown were low.

His conclusion (he devotes an entire chapter to his experiences, and those of other trappers he knew, with wolves) was that wolf attacks were certainly rare but possible.

BTW they're fascinating books - Face the North Wind[/u} and [u]North the Cree Lake

I don't think ANY animal should be hunted ruthlessly, without control to ensure ethical and humane kills. At the same time I believe that farmers have not only a right but a duty to care for, and if neccessary protect their stock.

We had stock. My Dad managed the local community pasture which had 10,000 head May - Oct, plus 200 of our own. There were wolves around. "Real" wolves for you eastern folk - the big timber wolves that are the size of a deer (not those pussy little "Algonquin wolves" Laugh) Admittedly very few south of the Torch River which ran near the north edge of the pasture, but plenty north of it). In my life we shot two. But we didn't go across the river and hunt them to extinction.

If they stayed on their side, that was fine us.[/u]

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Wolves in rural western NY are not acceptable to me. I'm with the guy whose opinion was; "if I see one, I shoot one".

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Saskie wrote,

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I don't think ANY animal should be hunted ruthlessly, without control to ensure ethical and humane kills. At the same time I believe that farmers have not only a right but a duty to care for, and if neccessary protect their stock.

I agree and thanks for the book suggestions, I will attempt to purchase them. I believe in controling the numbers of all predators, just not eradication. Of course famers and ranchers have a right and duty to protect their investment.

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Wolves in rural western NY are not acceptable to me. I'm with the guy whose opinion was; "if I see one, I shoot one".

It's this kind of ignorant "if it's a predator than shoot it" mentality we must guard against. It's bad for the environment and bad for our image as hunters. Wolves have their place and it would be a loss and shame to overhunt them just as it would be to have an overpopulation of them. Balance is the issue here as in all things. As with Bears, a little education goes as far as a gun for protection against Wolf attack.

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