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Re: grizzly
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Would the 300 wsm be enough power to hunt grizzly

For you, perhaps... For me the calibers start at .338/06, .35 Whelen, .350RM or 9.3x62. I kinda like those big 250-285gr bullets...lol.

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Re: grizzly
Tndeerhunter wrote:
codfish wrote:
Would the 300 wsm be enough power to hunt grizzly

For you, perhaps... For me the calibers start at .338/06, .35 Whelen, .350RM or 9.3x62. I kinda like those big 250-285gr bullets...lol.

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Re: grizzly
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Would the 300 wsm be enough power to hunt grizzly

Been there, done that. I got my Alaskan brown bear, at 125 yards with a .300 WSM with 180 gr Barnes TSX. Hit the bear in the left shoulder and knocked it over. The bullet exited the right side, and the bear dropped in its tracks.

The next year, my buddy got one a couple hundred yards downriver from mine. 75 yds with a .325 WSM with 200 gr Accubonds. Two rounds (first was a kill but the bear was still standing). One round went through a shoulder and out the far side, the other lodged under the hide on the far side.

A .300 WSM has 90 percent as much energy as a .325. Use a good bullet and hit the shoulders, and it's a done deal.

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I'm not going to claim any expertise in this area, but I've hear from an Alaskan bear hutning guide that a .30-06 Spgfld with a 180 grain bullet will do the exact same thing to a grizzly.

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It is intresting that guides want more gun these days. Used to be they wanted a gun you could shoot well and if that happened to be a 30-06, so be it.

Most people dont shoot as well as they used to..

That's may well be true. But going to a larger cartridge doesn't fix the problem. The guides I knew in Alaska carried a heavy back-up just in case.

I wonder how this situation ever developed in the first place? If someone hunt's they should be required to shoot well. I read that in Sweeden befor you could hunt you had to pass a shooting test. In America we call that infringement on our right's!

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I heard that as well about hunting in Germany. In fact I once read an article written my an elk guide here in the western USA somewhere who said that the most respect for the sport and the game came from the European clients that he has guided before.

I don't engage in long-range hunting so I only read rather than participate in the Long Range Shooting forum here on BGH. But, from some of the suff I've read there it's pretty obvious to me that some American hunters have not nearly the respect for game animals that they should, and seem to find it okay to use game animals as long range target practice.

A story that was written in either Outdoor Life or Field&Stream maybe within the last couple years also had shed light on a couple who engage in so-called ultra long range hunting using .50 BMG rounds. Sounded like it was all just a fun game to them. It was pathetic!! I can't believe that the writers didn't publically scold them and discourage this type of activity to the readers.

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I heard that as well about hunting in Germany. In fact I once read an article written my an elk guide here in the western USA somewhere who said that the most respect for the sport and the game came from the European clients that he has guided before.

I don't engage in long-range hunting so I only read rather than participate in the Long Range Shooting forum here on BGH. But, from some of the suff I've read there it's pretty obvious to me that some American hunters have not nearly the respect for game animals that they should, and seem to find it okay to use game animals as long range target practice.

A story that was written in either Outdoor Life or Field&Stream maybe within the last couple years also had shed light on a couple who engage in so-called ultra long range hunting using .50 BMG rounds. Sounded like it was all just a fun game to them. It was pathetic!! I can't believe that the writers didn't publically scold them and discourage this type of activity to the readers.

I spent three years in Germany, 1969 - 1971. Then you had to take a special hunting class that also taught respect for the animal and had to take a shooting test. A couple of things from that class were, you couldn't watch an animal in it's death throes, you had to turn your back. Then at the dead animal it was "waldmans dank" and you inserted some twigs or grass in it's mouth, it's last supper. Customs were strickly adheard to.

As far as respect in this country, I think it's more common than not. Those things we read and hear about that bother us are not as common as they may seem. But they certainly do exist!

This is America and we do do whatever we please that the law will allow. There for the less regulation we have the more we can do and God forbid anyone who may be appalled with it should say anything. Then it becomes a matter of we all have to stick together to protect our rights. Yet when the right's we are protecting insult the majority, maybe they really do need to go away. I think some of these people, well intentioned or otherwise, are their own worst enemy. Rather than pull together they loudly proclaim their right to do anything legal. They do have that right but should they do it just because it's legal? Maybe maybe not but they certainly yell loud if you voice an opinion other than their's on a subject.

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We to make all clients shoot before the hunt, mainly to check for zero and work out any problems that might arise but also to mentally have a understanding of the shooter himself. Yes in Europe often your required to test for before hunting, some before you legally can have a rifle.
Its defiantly not that a 30.06 wont take a grizzly, it will and has, many times. I live in Grizz country, one could say a 7mm mag will kill one, yet i know of one sow shot in the forehead the bullet didnt penetrate, she layed there for 2 weeks while game ad fish kept water to her and eventually one day was gone..just got up and left.
Its like a revolving cycle of opinions one what could be used on what when and where on forum, if YOU feel comfortable hunting grizz with a 06, and your outfitter will let you by all means have at it. The hunt surly can be suited to fit the requirements of the hunter and his or her equipment. Also be prepared if a guide KNOWS there is a high chance of needing to stop a charge or track wounded animals its quite likely he is going to charge more money while he send you back to the boat,plane camp whatever.
My house rifle and one often with me specifically for bear is a 450 marlin, trust me when you are among them you wish you had more. And until one has, opinions mean little(referring to what COULD be used)
I took mine with a 300 win and wished for more even with a two good shots I wished id brought more bore.

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I was on a grizzly hunt 2 years ago and the guide recommended nothing smaller than a .338 but admitted a 30-06 would do the job. During the hunt he told me the reason he liked his clients to use a larger bore is he would rather not track a wounded bear and would like it if everyone carried a 450 nitro while hunting bear.

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