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Well, I've used a bunch of calibers to collect venison, all worked well (obviously). But, one thing I learned is that there's no free ride. If you want to shoot a .308 cal 165 gr bullet 2700 fps from an 8lb rifle, it doesn't matter if it's a .308, 30/06 or .300WM, it will recoil the same. The idea that one is better, recoil-wise, when looking at like performance simply isn't correct, IMO.

A .308 can feel lower in recoil, if fired at lower velocity, from a similar gun, from a heavier gun, or perhaps from a better designed stock. But in like rifles, with the same velocity, recoil will be virtually the same. Certainly nothing wrong with the fine .308 or it's extended family of cartridges. I own and shoot most all of them myself and my two largest whitetails were taken with a .308. But, it's simply foolish, IMO, to say flatly that it shoots as fast and recoils less Shame on You!

I own, several .308s and also several 30/06s and depending on rifle and load, one will recoil more than the other, but it can also be the .308 recoiling more than the '06. A perfect example is my Ruger 77 RSI shooting 180s, as it's recoil is definitely noticeable...lol

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That is absolutely true. Tell me why do people get more cartridge than they need then make it useable by either loading it down, or getting reduced recoil loads, rather than getting the cartridge they can handle in the first place?

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Don Fischer wrote:
That is absolutely true. Tell me why do people get more cartridge than they need then make it useable by either loading it down, or getting reduced recoil loads, rather than getting the cartridge they can handle in the first place?

I believe that it is the mocho factor and or buying the newest fastest magnum on the market and then deciding that they don't like the recoil. A friend of mine picked up a beautiful Weatherby Mark V in 340 Weatherby for $200.00 just because the owner didn't like the recoil. He had heard all about it and use it on one hunt and then sold it. I have also seen a couple of the new Whinchester Short magnums go the same way. The guys that bought them thought that they were the answer to everything but didn't do their home work and found out that their original 300 magnum was just as good.

I also have never bought into the idea of a shorter case is quicker than the long case such as the 308 vrs the 30-06. In a bolt or pump action rifle there isn't that much difference when you cycle the bolt to chamber a new round. Even in a semi-automatic the time difference is not noticeable. Now in a full automatic then after a 1000 rounds of steady fire one may have the advantage but not by much.

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Don Fischer wrote:
That is absolutely true. Tell me why do people get more cartridge than they need then make it useable by either loading it down, or getting reduced recoil loads, rather than getting the cartridge they can handle in the first place?

Well, I think sometimes they are looking at the "worst case scenario" perhaps. Or, maybe more possibly, they are wanting to purchase a rifle that can be multi-use, or the cliche, "all-around rifle". Some figure that if they buy a .300 UM, that they can then make (or in the case of the UM, buy) various power levls of ammunition, so as to be properly "gunned" for antelope through grizzly bear.

There might be some merit to that simple idea, but remember, you will be sitting in a tree stand, hoping to shoot a whitetail, perhaps 75 yards distant, with "power level one" ammo, making the rifle a standard '06. But remember you're still handling a 26" barreled super magnum rifle. Simply not my cup of tea. I also think many hunters (I'll admit, I'm not immune) also get mesmerized at the velocities and trajectories some magnums boast.

All of which matters not, when Mr. Whitetail pops out at 75 yds. If you have a .300 Savage, or a .300 mag, with proper bullet placement and performance, you soon have Mr. Dead Whitetail. Some might argue that in that particular circumstance, the .300 Sav is even the better choice.

As far a extra performance for hunting larger game, I've always belonged to the large game=larger bullet needed camp. If you want to shoot an elk, weighing twice or three times as much as a deer, why not move up in caliber and bullet weight too instead of simply using faster deer-sized bullets? Just always made sense to me. Perhaps I've read too much Elmer though....lol. Laugh

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Don Fischer wrote:
That is absolutely true. Tell me why do people get more cartridge than they need then make it useable by either loading it down, or getting reduced recoil loads, rather than getting the cartridge they can handle in the first place?

I've also wondered that as well Think

Of course SAAMI and the manufacurers also tend to download many cartridges in recent years from it original loadings. The .270 Winchester is a good example of this, as is the 9X19mm Parabellum. The .270 is still under-loaded commercially, and the 9mm as loaded commercially by domestic manufacurers has only within the last 15 t0 20 years caught up to the heels of it's original full pressure European loading, because for much of it's life on this side of the pond commercial 9x19mm loads were pretty anemic, causing a stigma to it's name that it's never really been able to shake off.

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My first choice though would have to be the versital .22, it has killed everything from mice and snakes right up to bears (I'm sure not the first choice!). It was the first metalic cartridge and anybody out there who has a gun has a 22. Ruger has stared that they have sold enough 10-22's to put 3 in every houshold in America.
What is the first firearm that anybody shoots?

I have to agree with the .22. The question was greatest cartridge, not greatest deer cartridge. Since everyone is talking about centerfire cartridges I'll add my two cents. My first deer gun was a Remington 700 bdl in 30-06, I bought it in 1976 when I was 15 years old. It took me so long to save for this gun, (mowed a lot of lawns) that I chose the 30-06 for it's versatility. It served me so well that it took till this year for me to replace it. Now I believe that I truly have the best gun/deer cartridge ever, a Marlin 336SS in 30-30. Big smile

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Since you didn't state metallic cartridge, my vote goes for the 12ga. You can use it on anything that breathes. As far as versatility, the 12 ga. got them all beat. It will fire everything from 2.5" BP rounds to 2 3/4, 3, 3 1/2 " shotshells and slugs. The wide variety of projectiles (shot, slugs, non-lethal, flares, bear-bangers, etc.) covers just about any situation inside 250+ yds.

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Very true Chestergolf. When taking into account all cartridges, your answer is the best one of all. Someone says cartridge and we tend to think only metallic. 12 ga is absolutley the most versatile for all short range shots (out to 75 yards for some stuff)

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With a rifled barrel and scope using sabot slugs and these things can do amazing things out to almost 300 yds! They have the ballistics of a football by then though but I watched some great vids of a guy smacking a gong at 300yds regularly. Wouldn't shoot game at those distances though but they really shouldn't perform much different than some the the cowboy heavy hitting short range rounds like the 47-70.

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Now wait a minute. Cartridges are metallic, shotgun ammo is called shells. Generally they are plastic, might be some paper sitll around and I have seen metal shot shell cases.

Going against the 12ga would be that it hasn't spawned even one off spring! What do you neck it up or down to? Even the brass shell's haven't been necked up or down to my knowledge.

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