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Let's look at what those "patriotic people" (as you call them) did.

First of all, we can look at what they DIDN'T do. They didn't identify anything that wasn't already under investigation, didn't change the corrective actions, and didn't make a difference in who got put in jail.

What they DID do was violate federal law by illegally releasing classified documents to the press. In this case, it was classified "secret", which means its release would cause serious damage to the national security of the United States.

In response, the US suffered substantial political damage in the Arab world. Moreover, a lot of people (both American and Iraqi) died as a result of violence incited by anger over the photos, stoked by Islamists exploiting the issue to generate outrage. Nick Berg's beheading was a direct result of that leak.

Personally, I don't consider that to be patriotic. Patriotic would be identifying the people involved and holding them accountable -- but doing it in such a way that doesn't aid the enemy. The people who leaked those photos have a lot of blood on their hands because they wanted to grind a political axe more than they wanted to fix the problem. You're assuming these people were in the Army, but I highly doubt it.

You think leaked photos is how the insurgents found out about this and then took revenge? You can bet the goings on in Abu Ghraib were common knowledge among the Iraqi's and Arabs long before the story and photos blew up. The photos made Americans aware of it.

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SoCo, that is without a doubt one of the most ridiculous things you've ever posted. When did they start taking revenge over Abu Ghraib? After the pictures came out. What did you see all over Arab media? The leaked pictues. Show me one story about Iraqi protests and violence over Abu Ghraib before the story broke, and you might have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you're relying on pure speculation, delusion and revisionist history.

Also, am I to glean from your posts that as a former intel analyst you're OK with people releasing classified information that aids the enemy and gets people killed?

I'm still waiting on the source of that Taguba quote, by the way.

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I'm still waiting on the source of that Taguba quote, by the way.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/06/18/BL200806180...

"Now, in a preface to a Physicians for Human Rights report based on medical examinations of former detainees, Taguba adds an epilogue to his own investigation.

The new report, he writes, "tells the largely untold human story of what happened to detainees in our custody when the Commander-in-Chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture. This story is not only written in words: It is scrawled for the rest of these individual's lives on their bodies and minds. Our national honor is stained by the indignity and inhumane treatment these men received from their captors.

"The profiles of these eleven former detainees, none of whom were ever charged with a crime or told why they were detained, are tragic and brutal rebuttals to those who claim that torture is ever justified. Through the experiences of these men in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay, we can see the full-scope of the damage this illegal and unsound policy has inflicted --both on America's institutions and our nation's founding values, which the military, intelligence services, and our justice system are duty-bound to defend.

"In order for these individuals to suffer the wanton cruelty to which they were subjected, a government policy was promulgated to the field whereby the Geneva Conventions and the Uniform Code of Military Justice were disregarded. The UN Convention Against Torture was indiscriminately ignored. . . .

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts, and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

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Bummer to be "forced" into retirement after 34 years as a 2-star general and have to live off a pension of only $10K per month. I wish I could be so abused.

Maybe he was the source of the leak -- who knows? The only thing worse than being told to retire without explanation is to be told to retire with the explanation being made public.

But apparently he's now the darling of the left, so he should be able to augment that paltry $10K per month with book deals and speaking engagements. That should enable him to afford to ride the bus down to the Sizzler at least once a week.

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Bummer to be "forced" into retirement after 34 years as a 2-star general and have to live off a pension of only $10K per month. I wish I could be so abused.

Maybe he was the source of the leak -- who knows? The only thing worse than being told to retire without explanation is to be told to retire with the explanation being made public.

But apparently he's now the darling of the left, so he should be able to augment that paltry $10K per month with book deals and speaking engagements. That should enable him to afford to ride the bus down to the Sizzler at least once a week.

Wow, no time wasted in the smear attack once you found out his view differs from yours. Evil! Evil! Evil!

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Where did I smear him? I simply stated that I'm not inclined to join his pity party because he retired as a 2-star after 34 years. The guy gets ten grand a month just for breathing.

I'm not arguing about his opinion (even though I disagree) -- just his claim that he was abused by the government. Nobody's entitled to 3 or 4-star rank.

He's entitled to his opinion, and he's entitled to his pension -- but not my pity. The retired general officer ranks are full of people that left over a political dispute.

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