I dont see the problem unless your interfering with the outfitters clients (following the guides around to locate game you could hunt the general area and still be withiut getting in the way of his clients BUT then agin it is PUBLIC LAND
just because it is public land does not mean it is free for all. In colorado outfitters and cattlemen lease State land and the public are not allowed to hunt it and a lot of time tresspass on it. I'll bet a lot of folks did not know this existed on the books!
wow, i never realized the breath of replies this would get.
don't assume you might never use a outfitter. On this particular hunt i couldn't find anyone to go with. It was a once in a lifetime tag and i have hunted on my own in wilderness areas enough to know what type of chore it is. This area was about 20 miles from the road.
To be honest i didn't know what i had until after i had it. An idaho once in a lifetime sheep hunt. We drew a middle fork of the salmon permit for rafting and kayaking.and floated the 100 miles on our own. I fell in love with the impassable canyon and put in for a sheep hunt in there. I drew a tag. That is as much thought as i put into it.
what I am trying to tell you is that Colorado State lands that are leased for what ever purpose, belong to the person who is leasing it. The key word here is Colorado State public lands. They have the right to put up no trepassing signs and the whole nine yards. It is not allowed for the public anymore during the lease. Federal land is different.
... Colorado State lands that are leased for what ever purpose, belong to the person who is leasing it. The key word here is Colorado State public lands. They have the right to put up no trepassing signs and the whole nine yards. It is not allowed for the public anymore during the lease. Federal land is different.
... this is indeed interesting. And it makes sense - though one might not like or agree with it. If someone leases one of my apartments, I can't just come in whenever I want to and plop myself down and start watching tv, or watch the sunset through what his/her bedroom window ... just because I `own' the property. When I lease the property, I `release' certain rights.
An interestingly similar thing is happening up here on private ag land. The owner may not have a problem with me hunting his property - but he leaves it up the the person / operation he is LEASING it to - to make the decision.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it in my opinion. It's public land. To me that's all there is to it from a moral standpoint.
From an ethical standpoint I still think it's ok. When you hire an outfitter you are getting the advantages of pre-season scouting, packing out your animal, camping and food accomodations. So if you go out on your own you are losing all of those things. Just because you go out where an outfitters hunting grounds doesn't mean you know where the biggest bull on the mountain is. So there is nothing ethically wrong with it at ALL!!! It's public land, there is noting cheap, wrong, or shady about it. The only thing that would be wrong is to follow guides at a distance to see where animals are.
I don't care if you go to the same area, the outfitter will still have an advantage due to having horses, and many more eyes and hours in the field. Shouldn't be a problem at all.
Let me start by telling you the story of two Johns.
John number one went on a day hike with a couple of friends in the Cascade Mountains about an hour from Seattle. He somehow got separated from his buddies and became lost. John was dressed in casual cloths for a warm weather day hike and had nothing but a lunch with him. He spent three days in those mountains and luckily made it out to tell the story.
John number two, a friend of John number one, was much better prepared when...