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Gee, Pelosi knew about waterboarding?

Small detail here, but treaties signed don't become law until they're ratified. According to your source, that convention was signed by the US but not ratified.

So you're saying that Nancy Pelosi is a criminal because she agreed to waterboard terrorists?

It's quite simple, really. Either she didn't do her job when she was briefed, or she did and now wants to deny it. Which is it?

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Here are the laws that were broken little fella,

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

By our Constitution any treaty laws that we agree to become US law, by signing on to the convention against torture that convention has the full force of US law.

Any person captured on the battle field is a POW, and protected by the Geneva Convention. Civilians are either charged with a crime and presumed inocent until proven guilty, or they are released.

So yes, welcome to the fact based community.

Not even close there Super Goober.
I'll give you one more chance before I revel your lack of knowledge and your dependence on other peoples blogs, thoughts and rhetoric.
Ex has already pointed out one error and I'll give you a sample hint....Not everyone captured on the Battlefield is considered a POW and protected under the Geneva Convention. I knew you'd go for that one.
I dont see many facts listed from the "fact based community".

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Careful, JTap...don't chase the bid.

Civelin in his arrogance believes he has the Geneva Convention, Law of Armed Conflict, and Code of Conduct down cold. Sometimes the best way to expose ignorance is to let them display it on their own.

Come to papa, Civelin...

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I think that was in 05? so most abuse happened prior to that, but some still goes on to this day.

Really? To this day? I guess that makes Obama a war criminal too huh? He's Pres now you know. Bush is gone so you all have to take blame if anything happens on your watch.

Apparently he's reversed himself yet again Civet. I'm with expat, my neck is starting to hurt too. This is from Yahoo if you want to read it all.

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Friday he would reform and restart the military tribunals he once reviled for Guantanamo Bay detainees, jeopardizing his timetable for closing the prison by January and dismaying many supporters who suggested he was going back on campaign promises.

Now, after the detainees are given stronger legal protections — a ban on evidence obtained under cruel duress, for example — the trials of 13 defendants in nine cases will be restarted no sooner than September. Five of the 13 are charged with helping orchestrate the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

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Well Bunny actually if orders are coming down from the top for criminality then I'd consider those up top to be criminals. If not then not. For instance prison guards abuse prisoners regularly in state prisons yet we don't consider governors criminals for abominations perpetrated in their prisons.

A more apt comparison would be to Slabavan Milocevich, (sorry about spelling) I'd hope the US would be able to prosecute our own war criminals even if it meant a former head of state, if not I hope the international community is up to the task.

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So you consider Pelosi a war criminal?

This whole business is ridiculous. How many kids can hug their dads today because of those interrogation techniques?

Here's how I view torture:

Torture is having to tell your wife that her first born son was just killed in combat.

Torture is having to sit his four little brothers down next to the Christmas tree and explain to them that they'll never hug their brother again.

Torture is having Christmas decorations remind you of your son's death.

Torture is seeing your son come home in a box you couldn't fit a volleyball in.

Torture is opening a bag of his personal effects and smelling him.

Torture is hearing Taps played every night at 10PM on the PA system.

Torture is seeing internal scars on your young kids that you know will never heal.

I don't set policy, but in my opinion if squirting water up a terrorist's nose keeps another family from having to go through what mine has, I'm for it.

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expatriate wrote:
Careful, JTap...don't chase the bid.

Civelin in his arrogance believes he has the Geneva Convention, Law of Armed Conflict, and Code of Conduct down cold. Sometimes the best way to expose ignorance is to let them display it on their own.

Come to papa, Civelin...

He exposed his ignorance when he Referenced the Geneva Convention and the Army Field Manual for the definition of prisoner torture and then went on to post a UN Act.
The reference to the Constitution was the real kicker. Laugh Laugh
Like he has ever seen the Constitution.

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G W Bush Speaking on 6/26/03

"The Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment, ratified by the United States and more than 130 other countries since 1984, forbids governments from deliberately inflicting severe physical or mental pain or suffering on those within their custody or control. Yet torture continues to be practiced around the world by rogue regimes "

Rogue Regimes GW? I'll have to stop calling your presidencey a cabal.

"Beating, burning, rape, and electric shock are some of the grisly tools such regimes use to terrorize their own citizens. These despicable crimes cannot be tolerated by a world committed to justice."

He he, What up G W? Guess water torture, hooding, sleep deprivation, time disorientation and depriving prisoners of fundamental human needs, such as warmth, water and food doesn't count. I mean how do you kill over a hundred detainees?

I guess you just have someone write a speach and then read it eh? Talking about teleprompters! Wonder how he kept a straight face?

Big Cheney speach at Heritage on Monday, can't wait. I'll tell you what, the Republicans keep pushing and they just might get their wish. I liked that part last Sunday when the interviewer asks Cheney if Bush was aware these things were going on. Cheney choked. Knew he might well be implicating his boss if he says yes, admiting to implied criminality if he says no.

I'd really like it if these guys ended up like the unibomber, mouldering away in some federal facility for ever, only making news when they pass away.

http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2003/June/20030626153956nirog...

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You're coming apart again, Pogo. The first video is pretty disturbing, but nevertheless we Americans need to see this ugliness to know what we're capable of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D920ExgfbK4

Oooh...sleep deprivation. Water torture. Time distortion. Depriving prisoners of fundamental human needs such as warmth, water and food. The Navy has a term for this. It's called BUDS training. Spare me your outrage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67L35y77cWQ

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G W Bush Speaking on 6/26/03
"from deliberately inflicting severe physical or mental pain or suffering on those within their custody or control. Yet torture continues to be practiced around the world by rogue regimes "

Key word here is SEVERE.
If sleep deprivation is torture then my neighbors are guilty as heck and need to be dealt with instantaneously as well as my Boss.
40 seconds underwater is not "severe" physical, mental pain or suffering. Uncomfortable....yes.

Ex should be banned from the site...or the entire Internet for posting such cruel and inhumane treatment of a child via Potato Salad !!! Evil!

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