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This from the Washington Post.

Intelligence officials released documents this evening saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was briefed in September 2002 about the use of harsh interrogation tactics against al-Qaeda prisoners, seemingly contradicting her repeated statements over the past 18 months that she was never told that these techniques were actually being used.

In a 10-page memo outlining an almost seven-year history of classified briefings, intelligence officials said that Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) were the first two members of Congress ever briefed on the interrogation tactics. Then the ranking member and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, respectively, Pelosi and Goss were briefed Sept. 4, 2002, one week before the first anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The memo, issued by the Director of National Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency to Capitol Hill, notes the Pelosi-Goss briefing covered "EITs including the use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah." EIT is an acronym for enhanced interrogation technique. Zubaydah was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured and the first to have the controversial tactic known as water boarding used against him.

The issue of what Pelosi knew and when she knew it has become a matter of heated debate on Capitol Hill. Republicans have accused her of knowing for many years precisely the techniques CIA agents were using in interrogations, and only protesting the tactics when they became public and liberal antiwar activists protested.

Gee whiz folks, does this mean the democrats are going to have to prosecute more than a couple of lawyers who gave opinions and some republicans? In this brave new world of transparency it sure is murky still. I've always supported any interrogation technique that would save Americans. Apparently we on the right aren't the only ones, we're just the only ones admitting it!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/05/cia_says_pelos...

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democrats are going to have to prosecute more than a couple of lawyers

Dems aren't prosecuting lawyers unless you have an alternative set of facts. Remember someone from the fact based community is reading, can't just say stuff.

It's still unclear to me exactly what two members of congress and the entire Bush cabal knew about law breaking and when they knew it. Sure would be happy with an independent prosecutor. Did I just hear you say you support law breaking by US forces Expatriate? Are you sure you are former military? Didn't you swear to uphold the Constitution?

EIT is an acronym for a euphamism which is tortured phrasing to avoid admitting that we broke US as well as international law. War crimes. Why not ask your senators and congressman for an ind counsel?

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Dems aren't prosecuting lawyers unless you have an alternative set of facts.

Yes I am aware they have "graciously" decided not to proscecute the lawyers who wrote the legal opinions. My remark was made faceciously. As to the rest of your post my point was since the speaker of the house was aware of what was going on should she be included in your little hit list of war crimminals? No one on our side is lying about anything. They knew and let it be known what was going on. Apparently it's only the Dems that feel the need to critisize the actions publicly and deny what they were privy to all along. Oh and by the way, pay attention, i'm not Expatriate. But thanks for the compliment anyway.

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What? We've decided not to prosecute lawyers now? Ow! Ow! Somebody get me a neck brace!

So am I reading here that after lying about being told about waterboarding, Pelosi's new defense is going to be that lawyers told her it was legal? Well that gets schizophrenic pretty quick now, doesn't it? You can't use that argument to both condemn and absolve people. Maybe that's why we can't go after the lawyers anymore. Better not release those pictures, either. In fact, maybe we should just make the whole discussion go away.

Pogo, someone like you who can't tolerate dissent , supports socialization and is willing to throw 2nd Amendment rights under the bus has no business preaching to me about the Constitution.

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...but, but, but..... don't you know the CIA misled Congress? Those poor congressmen and women really, really did not know about the waterboarding! Laugh

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/14/pelosi-reiterates-didnt-know-...

Pelosi quote:
"Every step of the way the administration was misleading the Congress and that is the issue and that's why we need a truth commission," she said.

Under a barrage of questioning, Pelosi adamantly insisted that she was not aware that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation techniques were being used on terrorism suspects.

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Pogo, someone like you who can't tolerate dissent , supports socialization and is willing to throw 2nd Amendment rights under the bus has no business preaching to me about the Constitution.

Hmm... wrong username

never said anything about throwing 2nd under bus, (check out Heller)

Can't tolerate dissent? I think you are confused, I disagree with you, get used to it, so does the other 99%. I notice a lot of you folks think the first allows you to say stuff and I'm supposed to agree, sorry, not how it works.

supports socialization?

Dictionary dot com.

"a continuing process whereby an individual acquires a personal identity and learns the norms, values, behavior, and social skills appropriate to his or her social position."

Dude! Don't drink and post. But ya, guilty as charged, I support the idea of the right wing joining the rest of the country and learning the norms, values, behavior, and social skills appropriate to their social position. You can just address me as "yes sir"

Today was a great Pelosi day. Now she's pissed. Lots of media asking when she knew what. Lots of hearings coming up? There's so much out there the more that comes out the better.

This Iraq torture scandal has legs. Now a Dem is implicated and any investigations are non partisan, just investigations to find out what happened.

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I don't think there's going to be much of an investigation if any. Obama is finding out it's a lot easier to criticise from outside than to lead from within when it comes to the oval office. He's now talking about keeping some of the Gitmo detainees on American soil without benefit of trial which he said he would never do. When your in the chair behind that desk and peoples lives and well being are depending on you it's a lot harder than it was when you were campaigning and could just say whatever sounded good. It will be interesting whatever happens.

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Remember someone from the fact based community is reading, can't just say stuff.

Now there s another funny one.

pangolin wrote:
It's still unclear to me exactly what two members of congress and the entire Bush cabal knew about law breaking and when they knew it. Sure would be happy with an independent prosecutor. Did I just hear you say you support law breaking by US forces Expatriate? Are you sure you are former military? Didn't you swear to uphold the Constitution?
EIT is an acronym for a euphamism which is tortured phrasing to avoid admitting that we broke US as well as international law. War crimes. Why not ask your senators and congressman for an ind counsel

which laws were broken?
I agree, why don't we have a special prosecutor investigating this?
The answer to that is easy.
What part of the Constitution was not upheld?
What part of the constitution gives rights to terrorist and enemy combatants captured on the battlefield?
Which "International" laws were broken? The Geneva Convention? Pray tell please.
Remember your just past statement...you just can't post anything.
Why won't you answer....which laws were broken?...What is the legal definition of torture?.....Who was tortured?
The answers to those are easy also.
Comon with some fact based community answers.

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Now she's saying she was "mislead". For such a smart woman she's apparently either ignorant, a fool or a liar. I'm betting liar. So either your easily duped or you lie when it suits you. Either way I don't want you leading me.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_go_co/us_pelosi_torture

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Frankly, I've lost track of Pelosi's story. She was never told, she was told, she was never told, she was told but they didn't tell her anything, she wasn't told, she was lied to...I can't keep up. The thing about telling the truth is that you don't have to keep updating your story.

I just had this mental image of the Nuremburg trials -- Goring, Hess, Speer, etc, all arguing that they were innocent because Hitler lied to them and told them it was OK to kill millions of Jews.

Maybe Saddam should've argued at his trial that his lawyers told him it was legal to torture and murder his political opponents.

And the next time I get pulled over for speeding, I'll claim that my speedometer lied to me, or that my wife told me it was OK.

And don't try to deny your previous posts on the 2nd Amendment, Civelin. In post after post, you've made it very clear that you're willing to support bans on assault rifles and enact restrictions on gun ownership because you don't think it'd affect you. That's known as throwing others under the bus.

And by the way...you're dead wrong about 99 percent disagreeing with me. I'll wager if BGH ran a poll asking "Whose opinions more closely match yours" and offered a choice between you and I, I'd win hands-down.

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Here are the laws that were broken little fella,

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

By our Constitution any treaty laws that we agree to become US law, by signing on to the convention against torture that convention has the full force of US law.

Any person captured on the battle field is a POW, and protected by the Geneva Convention. Civilians are either charged with a crime and presumed inocent until proven guilty, or they are released.

A very good source in practical terms is the Army Field Manual

http://www.fcnl.org/pdfs/civ_liberties/Field_Manual_Sept06.pdf

Of course this was revised after the fact. When Abu Ghraib came out, almost all torture ended, no one wanted to get caught, I think that was in 05? so most abuse happened prior to that, but some still goes on to this day.

So yes, welcome to the fact based community. Of course there is a very good chance this post will get deleated. Some can't stand to hear anything but the echo chamber of agreement.

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