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I'm sure this topic has been discussed in the past, but does anyone have any first hand experience with Fusion ammo on game bigger than deer. I had my 7mm Rem.mag. at the range a couple of days ago and tried some Fusion 150grs. The rifle just loves them. They outshoot my handloads.( Ouch ....did I just say that outloud ) First 3 shot group at 100yrds. looked like a clover, and if I let the barrel cool between groups was able to repeat this several more times. I'd love to use these on an Oct. moose hunt here in Ontario. Any input. I hate to walk away from anything that shoots so well in any of my rifles.....factory or handload. Curious to hear from anyone that has used them on elk / moose.

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I have not shot any game with them, can't speak for performance....
but I use them to site my 338wm in....
they ARE SHOOTERS!!! Yes

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Just courious. What did you use before fussions and why are you thinging of changing? The difference between a small clover leaf group and an inch and a half in hunting means little. If the fissions work, that would be great. But if they don't, oops!

I read a post by JJ Hack months ago on bullets in Africa. He wasn't to impressed with them. His hobby is collecting bullets from game animals and determining how the bullet preformed and the wound channel. He's a PH over there that lives most the year in Washington state.

I have no experience with them but I tend to stick with what works.

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There are so many great bullets available to the handloader that ,,in my most humble opinion, Big smile factory ammo cannot compete or even come close. to reloading potential.
No, I did not say factory ammo was bad, I said that properly loaded handloads are so much superior.
The fusion rounds are probably out 4oo fps + or - slower than your reload potential and similiar numbers in ft/lb energy, something to consider when moose hunting..
Congrats on the tight groups. Thumbs up

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The load that has been working for me is 150gr. Barnes X bullets over IMR 4350. Also had good luck with Hornady 154gr. SP. No reason to change anything, just asking a question. The Fusions shot great out of my rifle. Don't we all strive for the best accuracy we can get out of our rifles? If someone tells me that they've used them with great success I'll give them a try. If I'm told of bad experience's that someones had in the field with them, I''ll leave them at home. That simple.

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I couldn't tell you either way. But between the Barnes and the Hornady bullets your using, I'd go with the Barnes. Never used them and use Hornadys for everything almost. But I'd worry about a cup and core up close at 7mm mag velocities. Ya didn;t ask but my choice for the 7mm mag would be a 175gr Hornady at about 2800 fps.

About accuracy, yes we do. But for hunting you start chashing something you don't need, I have too! I found out years ago in a 7mm mag of my own that 140gr Sierras were the most accurate load I could make. Most accutate by about 1/2" @ 100yds. In hunting, that really doesn't mean much, in competation target shooting, it's life and death. What I found out about that 140gr Sierra was that it would either come apart and give me shallow wounds or if it got inside, it came apart there and turned the inside to mush. I deserted it for the 160 gr Speer hot core and never looked back. The Speer loads averaged 3/4" @ 100 yds out of that rifle. But all I used for hunting now are Hornady's and I don't own any magnums any more.

Good luck on your moose!

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Thanks for your input. Never tried the Hot Cores. Did you load the standard SP or Mag tip? Both are of the "Hot Core" design and I believe both are offfered in the 160gr weight. I'm assuming that by the praise you have given these bullets they performed well on game at 7mm Rem mag. velocities.

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A bit more input on the Hot Cores.
When I first started reloading. I used Speer's Hot cores exclusively. With exceptional results. Never had a disappointment.
The two rifles I use now won't shoot them very well. So I've gone to The Nosler bonded core Accubond for these rifles. The Speer TBBC's also shoot well out of the Browning. So I also keep a few of them handy.

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We do not "need" MOA or Sub-MOA accuracy in a hunting rifle, but it will give a much better comfort and confidence level which is a plus.

The fusion ammo is marketed as a deer round.
I have to believe that in mfg testing, had it proved to be a round capable of reliable penetration it would not be targeted as a deer round.
While this ammo is an excellent shooter, I would not use for game such as elk, and moose. You will need plenty of penetration, especially with a weight that is not heavy for caliber. If it where me I would opt for a stronger deep penetrating bullet...your selection of barnes is fantastic. My oppinion, do not fix something thats not broke.

I know it is tough to resist a round that shoots so well...
I gave the same thoughts w/ this ammo, and will continue to use for range work. It is about as economical as a good shooting round can be. I would not hesitate to use on game not requiring a need for extreme penetration, but moose and elk require this.

Just my $.02

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The Speer mag tip came out with the Grand Slam bullet, not long befor I went to mostly Hornady. I think the mag tip is a great design, not so sure about the Grand Slam. I think it was hocus-pocus! The mag tip is a lot like the core lock tip. Not a great deal of exposed lead and not nuch to deform. That was one of the draws of the mag tip. Speer claimed that when fired the tip of a bullet was gone in the air anyway. They had advertisements showing a high speed photo of a bullet not far from the barrel. Where that tip went, I'm not sure but I seem to recall they claimed friction in the air melted it off. Maybe so..??

One thing that never was exploited with the mag tip or even spitzers was that the difference in BC didn't matter a hill of beans in hunting situtations.

In my opinion, when speer sold out to OMARK, they went downhill badly. First it was their attitude toward customers. I had wrote them about a new wildcatt manual and got told they don't sell aanything to anyone excetp retailers, I had to talk to them. They did the same thing with RBCS. Then I tried them again a number of yars later and they just didn't shoot well so I've never tried them again. Vernon Speer, like joyce Hornady and Fred Huntington knew who their customers were and it wasn't retailers.

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91xlt wrote:
We do not "need" MOA or Sub-MOA accuracy in a hunting rifle, but it will give a much better comfort and confidence level which is a plus.

Thumbs up Definitely agree. I would just add that my thought is if I can get the rifle and ammo shooting small groups off the bench then I can focus on practicing shooting for hunting situations. When I don't make a good shot I know it was me and not the ammo or rifle. Helps me to focus on my form instead of wondering if it is the ammo.

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