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Full Length Stock?

There is something I have been wondering for a while and never hear anyone talk about it. I really trust people on this site and I know you'll have the answer

Knowing that for accuracy the barrel should be free floated and not interfered with during a shot due to harmonics, how is it that some of the most accurate old riffles have full stocks that go all the way to the end of the barrel? Like the Springfield 1903 and the Enfield 303 or the manlicher stocks.

Even riffles with a barrel band front swivel for a strap seam to violate this accuracy rule. What gives.

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Good Question!

Marksman

A great question to be sure!  Not that I am a huge expert in this matter I have always seen accuracy as a relivence term depending on the person behind the trigger.  Now the folkes up in the "long distance" section are alot more concerned with angle of min. accuracy, still there are lots of accurate guns out there that if the shooter cannot shoot, can not hit the broad side of a barn.

Take 2 of my guns: 1- a Ruger Deerfield Carbine in 44 Mag, 2- a Parker-Hale 1300 in 30-06.

The Ruger is a gas operated semi-auto with a $90, 30mm BSA scope on it (mounted sideways to keep from getting hit during ejection).  At 100 yds off the bench I am lucky to get a 4 inch group.

The P-H is a bolt action with a bedded barrel a nice Nicon Monarch 4 to 10 power scope sits on top.  On a bench I can do a quarter sized group (If I don't make any mistakes???).

Will both kill what I am shooting at at 100yds?  Sure they will, that is accuracy for me.  Now I do try to match up the hunting with the gun I carry so the Ruger tends to be a early season gun when the leaves are still on the trees and most of the shooting will be 50 yds or less.  I also know the limitations of my guns and 100 to 125 yards is just about the limit of that gun. 

 

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Thanks for that and I hear

Thanks for that and I hear you loud and clear. I don't know that I'm on any special accuracy kik here but I just wanted to understand how one accurate riffle barrel should be free floated and the other wrapped up head to toe in wood.

I shoot a sabot slug for deer season and I got no problems. None of my shots would be past 70 yards.

I also have a TC venture in 22-250 that I expect a lot more from. So I get it.

Its just those full length stocks seam to be counter intuitive (OOOOOO big word).:lol:

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ADKbear, that sounds like a

ADKbear, that sounds like a cool set-up. I never heard of P H so I googled it.

I love the 30-06 cartridge. Is it a scout and does it have the muzzle break?

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full length stocks

I own five rifles, I believe, with full length Mannlicher stocks. Two are fairly new CZs, two are Rugers and one an older MK X Interarms. One of the CZs happens to be one of my more accurate rifles and all shoot plenty well enough for any type of hunting their calibers warrant.

I will say that I do make it a point not to take any of them out when rain is forcast however as water could get between the stock and barrel underside and perhaps cause some rust or warpage. I like them for their looks, not for their utility. Dancing

 

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Yea I think the CZ with the

Yea I think the CZ with the full Mannlicher stock is rather sexy. All that beautiful wood.

I never really thought about the water getting between the stock and the barrel but I guess it could be problematic.

Have you ever removed the barrel? Does the wood only touch at the end or what?

I think in one way the full length stock would tend to improve accuracy by helping to secure the action and the stock like bedding does. But the barrel is free floated to eliminate uneven harmonics during the shot. I don't see how a full lenght stock avoids interfering with the harmonics. Plenty of enfields, springfields, and Carl Gustaves have proven that full lenth stocks work.

I just want to know how and why::confused2.

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hmmm

marksman wrote:

There is something I have been wondering for a while and never hear anyone talk about it. I really trust people on this site and I know you'll have the answer

Knowing that for accuracy the barrel should be free floated and not interfered with during a shot due to harmonics, how is it that some of the most accurate old riffles have full stocks that go all the way to the end of the barrel? Like the Springfield 1903 and the Enfield 303 or the manlicher stocks.

Even riffles with a barrel band front swivel for a strap seam to violate this accuracy rule. What gives.

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