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Help Available But Not Being Used?

 

Somebody needs to contact the Incident Commander, Bill Hahnenberg, and let him know of more assets are available to fight the High Park Fire - see news article - http://www.krdo.com/news/MAFFS-not-sent-to-High-Park-Fire/-/417220/15149354/-/78ik1lz/-/index.html  I think after this article they will be used - hopefully.

 

 

 

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Just a guess but....

As Hahnenberg has said several times, it's the guys on the ground that fight fire, not the air support.  So, my guess is additional aircraft won't actually help with the current situation.  They can get vehicles in to most structures for protection, but if they can't get men in to the woods in the right spot, aircraft won't do any good. In my experience with wildland fire, air support only slows things down by a few minutes, enough for a guy to dig a line in front of it.  If you have a crown fire (and they do in many places), water drops are just pissing in the wind without guys cutting down trees around it.

Can't have one without the other I think.  

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Hmmmm....

 

I understand and agree totally on what you are saying about the firefighters on the ground... and the water drops.  I also agree on the burn-off of all the pine beetle killed trees.  The Peterson AFB MAFFS are located so close and can reload in 18 minutes... and they are currently just sitting there... so why not use them.  With correct coordination they would still be a benefit - even at a mere 3000 gallons per drop.  I would think we will see the MAFFS join one of the current fire fights in Colorado within 48 hours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Okay - I was wrong!

 

Okay 48 hours is up... so I was wrong.  I thought the MAFFS would be called into assisting in one of the Colorado fires but after looking into this more the commercial companies are called first before mobilizing military aircraft.

 

 

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From the little sand fire

Thought this image was a good example of how there can be multiple fires in one area and how there will be patches that don't get burned at all within the fire perimeter

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I hope those puppies don't

I hope those puppies don't burn until the fall wet season.  The fall has put out alot of fires here in idaho.  Atleast there will be some better elk habitat. 

Condolences to all those that have lost homes.

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here comes the test

well, they've had about a week to work on that west line on Pingree Park Road.  The real test should come tonight or tomorrow for the High Park Fire.  Gonna be real tough to stop that fire this summer if they can't contain it on the Pingree Road.  Up to 68,000 acres now.  The fire is about a mile a away now and moving pretty quickly.  However, it should reduce it's intensity tonigh.  I'd be ok with it tearing on through to the pass and through the Comanche Peak Wilderness (just about done with the Cache La Poudre Wilderness now), but it'd be a shame to burn the Pingree Campus or some of the summer camp up there.  Also jumped the Poudre again and burned Sheep Mountain which puts that fire pretty close to some of the Red Feather communities.

 

The Little Sand is still going strong at 16,000 acres now.  Been a slow moving fire but no closer to containment.  

 

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Lost it to the North

Fire blew up North of the Poudre!! Lots of homes on fire and lost! Homes in Hewlet Gulch were lost as well!!! Filing 12 in Glacier View lost a bunch! Red feather lakes rd. open to East bound traffic only!!! 6% Humidity and triple digit temps down here! Windy and hot is all I can say!!!

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This is terrible. Where's

This is terrible. Where's those afternoon thunderstorms when you need them?

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The Real Need

 

What Colorado needs is a day or two of nothing but long slow and continuous rain - drenching rain and no lightning.  God bless all of those firefighters and the people who live in these areas of fire destruction.

 

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