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Few questions on new rifle

I was up to 2:30 am the other night reading 25 pages of this section of the forum and im in the market for a new hunting rifle this season and have some questions.

1) What do you prefer and what do you think is a better rifle the Remington 700 XCR or Winchester M70 Classic Ultimate Shadow(I was leaning to this one) or a Super Shadow. I have allready decided a 300 WSM I will be hunting Deer, Antelope, Elk, maybe some bear and moose.

2) What is the differnce between a stainless steel and a "blued" and which one is better or would you prefer?

3) What makes these rifles any better then the wally world pro shadows or whatever they carry?

4) On winchesters site they dont show an ultimate shadow but the "elite" shadow looks identical. Are they the same?

Thanks in advance

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I'll answer # 3 first:
They are not any better than the Remigton ADL, BDL, or Winchester 70 that you see on the rack at Wally World. They are just different models of the same basic rifle. Remington or Wichester is just a matter of personal preference and nothing more.
Stainless won't rust but I havea Remington 700 BDL that I bought in 1979 and not a bit of rust on it either. I apply a coat of paste floor wax toit every year,buff it and wipe off any moisture that gets on it.(animal blood left on a blued barrel will cause some unpleasant results)
It all boils down to what you like, what you want and "to hell with me any everyone else"
Great choice on calibre too

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This may sound bias but I am a Remington fan as well. Both rifles will be fine but I still like the remington better. My brother has the exact rifle you are looking at for the winchester(calibre and all) and he loves it but the remington seems to be built a bit better and the stainless barrel is a nice touch.

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Me Again:

I got some reservations about a nice shinny stainless barrel reflecting light when I'm trying to stay as undetected as possible. I could see me with a roll of camo duct tape !!!!!!

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Now-days, Remington's stainless steel barrels are parkerized with a slightly textured finish and I doubt any light will reflect off of it.

I own a 700 SPS in stainless and the smooth blued barrel appears to reflect far more than the stainless.

In short, I wouldn't worry about it one bit.

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Deer are looking for movement not color. SS it the way to go. Now its a Ford of Chevy thing.

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Don't be putting those stainless guns away thinking they won't rust. They are just as apt to rust, under wet conditions, as any other steel.

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Living and hunting in one of the wettest places in the northern hemisphere has definatly changed my view of the whole stainless vs. blued debate. I can tell you from personal expierience that under wet conditions in a moisture rich hunting environment a blued gun will rust and pit substantially faster than a SS gun. Stainless steel is just that, it stains less. It is not stain proof, they will rust but at a much, much slower rate. They will hold up to harsh environments and conditions far better than a blued gun will. If you are hunting in state where constant rain and snow are not a problem than a blued gun will work just as good than a SS will and usually at a cheaper price. However if you are hunting in say Alaska where I do than you will "need" a SS riffle or you will regreat it, trust me.
As far as Remington vs. Winchester, I shoot a Winchester mod. 70 in .300 and I absolutly love it. It has by far the smoothest action of any riffles I own and I will shoot nothing else. I am sure Remington makes a fine riffle as well, youreally can't go wrong wilth either. I would suggest shooting both and decide which one fits you better.

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There is one advantage to the Remington, a round action. If you decide to epoxy bed it, round actions are easier to do. That said, I just bought a new model 70 featherweight.

One more thing, not sure yet how user friendly the Win trigger is but the Rem 700 trigger is a breeze to take down to around 3# with extreamly little overtravel.