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Fans of the 8X57

Are there any other fans of the great 8mm Mauser out there? I took the plunge about 5 years ago and I'm glad I did. Yes, I'd seen those anemic numbers all the American ammo manufacturers listed as the ballistics for their 8X57 loads, but when I took notice of some other, foreign manufaturers' numbers, I decided to see what I could find rifle-wise. Well, turns out that Remington had the 8X57 as their round of choice for their LE M700 Classic in 2004 and it wasn't a big seller.

When I saw an ad for a NIB M700CL in 8X57 for the price of $390./delivered, I jumped. I just wish now I'd jumped higher and purchased 3 or 4 of them. I could have shot them all, kept the best shooter and had those other 2 or 3 rebarreled in any chambering that caught my fancy; .338/06, .35 Whelen, 6.5/.284.... Well, you get the picture.

Smart, I wasn't, but I still had one very nice M700CL to play with. Shortly after that I also found a very nicely done M98 which had been sporterized, but left in it's original 8X57. After ensuring it was indeed the .323" version, I bought it as well and now had two new toys to play with. I've settled on the same load now in both, a Sellier & Bellot load with a 196gr SPCE bullet at 2592 FPS giving that load nearly 3,000 FPE. Go ahead and compare that load to your favorite '06 load. And the old 8mm has that added frontal area as well.

What's not to like? Anyone else here a big 8X57 fan?? 

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FANS OF THE 8X57

You might look in RIFLES MAGAZINE, No. 243, March 2009. There is a very good and interesting article by Al Miller. Good luck.

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I prefer the info in this

I prefer the info in this article:

 

http://www.chuckhawks.com/forgotten_8x57.htm

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I have always liked the idea

I have always liked the idea of the 8x57 but all of my experiences have been with friends that bought war surplus ones and shot war surplus ammo back in the 60's and early 70's.  But they always got the job done on both deer and elk. 

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I have no experience with it

I have no experience with it at all but after reading more I am interested as I enjoy the somewhat odd ball calibers. I have a 700 classic in .220 Swift and would grab one in 8x57 if I come across one.

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I wouldn't throw one away

I wouldn't throw one away that was given to me but I think I'd much prefer either a 308Win, had three and great cartridge. Or an 8mm-06. Actually when going over 30 cal I think I'd be looking for something much more powerful. I would jump to either a 338 Win mag in factory for the benifit of much heavier bullets.

Now if you had said 7x57, I've had several of them also and along with my 6.5x55's, are my favorite cartridges. Once you get over the 30 cal, the 57mm case is just to small for me.

Now a question. Does your 700 have a long action or short? If it is a short action, do you have to seat heavy bullets really deep to feed them into the magazine well? I know wit a 6mm my wife has, the 100gr bullets need to be seated deeply in the short action to fit the magazine well. 57mm case ids a good one but it does need a bit longer action. With my 7x57's it was never a problem because I used nothing over 154gr bullets in it and those were pushing the limit for length.

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Don Fischer wrote:

I wouldn't throw one away that was given to me but I think I'd much prefer either a 308Win, had three and great cartridge. Or an 8mm-06. Actually when going over 30 cal I think I'd be looking for something much more powerful. I would jump to either a 338 Win mag in factory for the benifit of much heavier bullets.

Now if you had said 7x57, I've had several of them also and along with my 6.5x55's, are my favorite cartridges. Once you get over the 30 cal, the 57mm case is just to small for me.

Now a question. Does your 700 have a long action or short? If it is a short action, do you have to seat heavy bullets really deep to feed them into the magazine well? I know wit a 6mm my wife has, the 100gr bullets need to be seated deeply in the short action to fit the magazine well. 57mm case ids a good one but it does need a bit longer action. With my 7x57's it was never a problem because I used nothing over 154gr bullets in it and those were pushing the limit for length.

 

Everyone has their preference and I'm a big fan of the .308 myself, owning 7 or 8 of them at this time. The .308 cannot match the performance of a warmly loaded 8X57 however. With loads giving over 2800 FPS with a Barnes "X" bullet compared to the .308's at about 200 FPS slower, I think it prefereable for at least some of my hunting. Other loads pushing a 196gr bullet at nearly 2600 FPS as well, giving better frontal area, energy and like SD over any .308/180gr. The case capacity of the 8X57 case is almost 10gr more than the .308's. On like weight bullets, the 8X57 takes up less case space than a .308 or 7x57 due to it's larger frontal area.

I would never say to hurry up, run out & trade your .308 for an 8X57, but the superior performance is there, if you want it and I do like it. The 7X57 is also a great chambering that I own and use, but it's bigger cousin sends a 180gr load nearly as fast, 2808 vs 2890 FPS, as a really hot 140gr 7X57 loading. That's a difference, at the muzzle of over 550 FPE.

There are actually very few 30/06 180 or 200gr loads that will outperform an 8X57 (over 2800 FPS and 3151 FPE from an 8mm 180gr TSX).  I buy loads for my M98 made by Sellier & Bellot that are 196gr SP loads at 2592 FPS & 2924 FPE at a cost of $25/box. Prvi Partizan makes 196gr SP ammo for $18/box.

If all one ever looks at are the really anemic Remington, Federal & Winchester loads made here for the 8X57, then you'll never see the upside of that fine round. All the numbers used for comparisons with the .308, 30/06 & 7x57 were taken from Conley Precision Ammo and Stars & Stripes Ammo companies, respectively. The fine, economical Sellier & Bellot and Prvi Partizan ammo can be purchased at many dealers including Cheaper Than Dirt, Midway, and Sportsmans Warehouse.

Again, perhaps not a great enough difference to run out and sell a 7X57, .308 or 30/06, but I kinda like the idea of added frontal area and a moderate case size that's also efficient for big game. I find it fits right in good spot between my numerous .30 cal rifles and my .338s and .358s. The true .323 size of the 8X57 is exactly midway between the .30s (.308) and .338s, making it a genuine tweener. :yes:  

 

 

 

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Hi I am a fan of the 8X57IS or JS as some write it. I live in Europe and all the loads I get is powerful as we don't get the low loads which is common in US.

I think that the 8X57 complements my 6.5X55 perfectly. I use the 6.5X55 for a lot of things but NOT for driven hunt on wild boar, then I love the 8X57IS it kicks a bit less than the 30-06 and loaded with 196grs Oryx bullets it slams down those fast boars nicely. Before I used 338 winmag a lot for big game, but as I found the 6.5X55 puts down Moose quite easily I saw no reason for the kick. I shoot better with lower recoil and the 6.5 is great. However when I hunt driven hunt on wild boar, Stalking Moose, bear and Crown Deer I do like the 8X57IS it gives more energy and the bullets hit the target with greater mass, and I believe gives that little extra I need. When I sit on post I only use the 6.5X55 on all game except Bears.

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